Sharron Davies on Good Morning Britain now

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Both Sharron and Piers making Brian point now!

was Rachel Reeves on before Blair Hamilton and Sharron Davies? I caught the bit with those two on ITV +1 and I thought everyone did an excellent job.

I was pleased that Blair agreed that it is not right for male bodied people to be in female sports.....

Did Rachel Reeves make any points?

Does anyone have more information about the runners that piers mentioned?

Wait, you're telling me that they had an actual female sportswoman on to discuss the impact on female sportswomen, instead of just leaving it to the men and trans people?

Well I never!

did he mean the runners in America?

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[quote Kit19]did he mean the runners in America?

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This sounds right. Thank you.

Just looked up who Blair Hamilton is. Do we know what happens after the football match? Does Blair then just shower with all the women?

Rachel Reeves was clearly terrified that she might be found guilty of wrong think

"I didnt come on to talk about that"

Strange times indeed. Piers has a book coming out about woke culture/freedom of speech. I'd actually consider buying it, because he has been one of the few mainstream broadcasters to shed light on the absurd situation we find ourselves in. I think he has brought this to the attention of many ordinary people, who are not among the chattering classes, but who will be the most effected by the wholesale betrayal of women's rights by Labour et al.

@KenDodd

the only political parties that defend women's rights are the Communists and the tories Neither of those parties give a shit about women. They are anti trans NOT pro women. And it was the Tories who first tabled self ID.

If they are anti-trans, why did they table self-ID?

If they are anti-woman, why did they shelve the GRA reforms after pushback from women's rights groups?

I certainly don't think women's rights is the number 1 priority for Conservatives, but they seem to pay a lot more attention to women than Labour or the Lib Dems.

No one wants the poison chalice do they...

Wonder how they pick who to sacrifice for the cause each time.

Do you think they draw names out of a hat?
Are they paid off for losing their credibility?

None of them believe it. Not one . You can tell from their body language and inability to answer questions. Torn between not wanting to lie but also to say the right thing.

@Kit19

Rachel Reeves was clearly terrified that she might be found guilty of wrong think

"I didnt come on to talk about that"

Translates as: I haven't had the correct coaching for that interview.

Pathetic. Nobody incapable of independent thought, or answering questions about a major policy issue on the hop, should be an MP.

The labour party must be a very scary place for women - especially women MPs. One word spoken that implies that women have rights or that child safeguarding is a priority over other group's demands and bang - the pile on starts for wrongthink.

Sharron is wonderful. So articulate, fair and reasonable.

This clip from last year shows how succinctly she makes her points:

Sharron is fantastic , she has all kinds of abusive language thrown at her on Twitter though sadly.

What sort of person wants to compete knowing they are effectively cheating?
Doesn’t say much about the person really.

I tuned in and yes it was a reasonable discussion and Blair accepted that there are several instances where it would be unfair for transwomen to compete with women. If the debate could be this civil all the time then it would be so much better for both sides. Piers did preempt the discussion by saying it always descends into accusations of transphobia perhaps in an attempt to ward it off.

The answer to where do transwomen play/compete is obviously in men's/mixed sex competitions (more likely for team sports). I do think they should have access to sport, as Susannah highlighted, but just not the women's game. I can't believe that's so controversial.

I hadn't heard of the teenage athletes breaking records under self id, another data point for the ridiculousness of self id.

Piers kept referring to transwomen having "had no surgery" which will get most people on side (read: men) because they think if you've gone the whole way and had SRS it shows "commitment" and you should have allowances made. However women are not men with low testosterone or no penis and the fairness argument doesn't go away once you remove it. They still retain a larger male heart, lungs, muscle mass and a different shaped pelvis.

Rachel reeves claimed she didn't know about this debate, but didn't believe there was a situation where women and trans rights conflicted. Not sure how she has drawn that conclusion if she didn't know about it. I don't believe she wasn't briefed, rather she just knew Labour's stance wouldn't stand up to scrutiny. Another poor showing from Labour.

What sort of person wants to compete knowing they are effectively cheating?
Doesn’t say much about the person really

Watching an interview with one person they spent some time explaining what they have to do and the disadvantage that gives them then basically just shrugged and said maybe there could be, when asked if they felt transgender athletes had a residual advantage.

They don't care

Sharon is incredibly articulate, and comes across as full of commonsense. I think many TRAs underestimated her. She's nails.

Blair Hamilton managed to avoid answering the question in any kind of comprehensive way. They appeared to say that despite the fact that 800 transwomen were tested, as none of them were rugby players it doesn't count? And obviously mixed boxing shouldn't be happening, and obviously Hussein Bolt shouldn't be able to compete with women, but me, as a footballer, absolutely. Because, you know I'm different.

It's just such a shit, entitled argument.

As Dr Hilton says, women's sport is about celebrating extraordinary women athletes, not mediocre men.

I don't blame Rachel Reeves for looking like a rabbit caught in the headlights. She must have seen what happened to Rosie Duffield for merely liking one of Piers' tweets.

It's absolutely gut wrenching to see women petrified to even have an opinion about the male entitlement driving this, because it would mean their job, and lives, would come to a screeching halt while they dealt with the abuse.

It requires a collective to tip the balance and make people less fearful.

I believe the women in the Labour Party have started that with their declaration in support of Rosie.

Oh, and I've just remembered the other thing Blaire said. That the reason why men were stronger, faster, more powerful, and generally beat women in almost every sport event, ever, is because they are taught better.

And that now women are taught just as effectively, all that will change.

Quite apart from the obvious, bat shit notion that women just need to try harder, where does Blaire get the idea that women and girls are now treated with parity in sport?

Extra, new found ways of the misogynistic and sexist trampling of women's sports, justified on the basis that women have sports equality so it can't happen!!

It's absolutely gut wrenching to see women petrified to even have an opinion about the male entitlement driving this, because it would mean their job, and lives, would come to a screeching halt while they dealt with the abuse.

Yes. But. They are MPs and they are meant to represent their constituents, including women, including girls who want to play sport. Their parties are just letting them hang in the wind, but they in turn are doing the same thing to their colleagues who are brave enough to speak out.

male born person pontificates about how women are taught sport because of course they would know......

Im pretty sure Lura Trott has been taught incredibly well about cycling hence the 4 gold medals but she'd be beaten out of sight in the mens omnium even though shes a double olympc champion in that event

Sharron was asked where the TW should go, if not allowed in women's sports. This is often used as a "gotcha" in the sense of "what else can we do? The only way forward is to shove over and be kind I guess."

I think it is important to remember that this is not a question women have to answer. At all. Women do not have to come up with the solution. Women should simply stand firm protecting their sport.

Not our problem to solve.

Video | Should Transgender Athletes Be Allowed to Compete in the Olympics? | Good Morning Britain Mar 3, 2020

Watching this, I’m thinking that it took 84 years for women to get the right to run a marathon and it took Joanna Harper trans woman (appearing in this video) a couple of meetings with the International Olympic Committee to change women’s sports to mixed sex, based on her flawed research. No other groups were consulted by the IOC when they changed women’s sports to mixed sex.

@queenofknives

It's absolutely gut wrenching to see women petrified to even have an opinion about the male entitlement driving this, because it would mean their job, and lives, would come to a screeching halt while they dealt with the abuse.

Yes. But. They are MPs and they are meant to represent their constituents, including women, including girls who want to play sport. Their parties are just letting them hang in the wind, but they in turn are doing the same thing to their colleagues who are brave enough to speak out.

I agree with that too. I just understand why they are frightened.

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