Simulated pregnancy and induced lactation

[GingerAndTheBiscuits]

Should possibly come with all sorts of trigger/content warnings.

DH just sent me this:

twitter.com/godblesstoto/status/1311050509072113664?s=20

TW simulating pregnancy and birth (in a house where their STBEx-wife and children live), already “planning” that the baby will be stillborn, and then wondering aloud if someone will lend them a baby to breastfeed.

All in a group for mothers taking medication so they can produce milk for their babies. Given how poor breastfeeding support is for many mothers in all parts of the world I can’t work out whether I’m more offended, disgusted, or terrified that this person has centred themselves and has people cheering them on.

DH questioned why women were commenting in support - I said it was part of the socialisation to “be nice”. His response was that it’s not being nice, it’s dangerous. And he’s right, but why can so many women not see it? Does it go beyond socialisation? According to other posts in the thread women were removed from the group for saying the person’s post was offensive/triggering to those who had experienced the loss of a child.

I don’t even know why I’m posting it really, other than I was so agog and this is one of the few places open to comment on things since I abandoned twitter

[Muhknaw]

@Totickleamockingbird

Let’s put him in a two-day long labour, complete with some mechanical way to loosen their pelvic floor muscles. Then let’s pretend that the baby was stuck so a c-section was necessary. Then give them epidural, cut open their belly and then stitch it all back together.
While we are at it, make them do the donkey, day-to-day chores for a foster family who is raising a very young baby. I am the first few feels will bring him to his senses.
This fucking world has gone Fucking nuts!! I am so aggrieved that this guys is making fun of the trauma I went through to have my children. How in the world is this not considered offensive and torturous for mothers who have traumatic birth especially.

This ☝️
This is the true birth experience for alot of women.
Let's not forget the post birth constipation.
Healing from infection after emcs on no sleep with other children and the school run
the constant demands of day to day life while your OH is back on night shifts after a measly two weeks paternity leave.
Why isn't this the real authentic motherhood experience they want to simulate???
The poor uncooperative stbx wife and children

[ramblingsonthego]

Will they go through the PPH that resulted in me losing 6 pints of blood? Will they then have a consutants arm up them akin to something out of all creatures great and school to try and stem the haemorrhage while being taken into theatre?

Will they then be left with a rectal prolapse that they have to deal with on a daily basis?


No? Oh then its just an attention seeking thundercunt who wants everyone to see how brave and wonderful they are for their own sick fetishes.

[DrDavidBanner]

Okay so now I have read the full thead but I got to "Empathy Belly" and completely lost the plot

[LilyMumsnet]

Hi all

We're taking this thread down now.
There's a lot of generalisation going on and it's just not in the spirit.

[LilyMumsnet]

Hi again all,

Just to say the above post regarding deletion was a mistake - too many tabs open. Sorry about that.

[ArabellaScott]

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[ArabellaScott]

Apologies. That comment was directed at the general idea of the post, not anyone posting.

It's all I can say.

[ArabellaScott]

guys is making fun of the trauma I went through

Utterly. Utterly utterly utterly.

I can't believe people can't see how horrendously offensive this is.

[namechange9357]

@ramblingsonthego

Will they go through the PPH that resulted in me losing 6 pints of blood? Will they then have a consutants arm up them akin to something out of all creatures great and school to try and stem the haemorrhage while being taken into theatre?

Will they then be left with a rectal prolapse that they have to deal with on a daily basis?

No? Oh then its just an attention seeking thundercunt who wants everyone to see how brave and wonderful they are for their own sick fetishes.

Maybe they can spend the next 40 years simulating a rectocele

[iguanadonna]

Susanna Rustin had some interesting tweets the other day about how 'It was so transparent yesterday that frustration over GRA led immediately to rage at women's control of the baby supply'. That was directly about surrogacy but I think there's an element of envy and rage about our reproductive capacities that gets forgotten in analyses that focus on the sexual submission thrill.

[Winesalot]

Yes the entitlement around surrogacy is shockingly transparent in its belief that they have the right to fertility equality. Just NO!

[GingerAndTheBiscuits]

@LilyMumsnet

Hi all

We're taking this thread down now.
There's a lot of generalisation going on and it's just not in the spirit.

So close to my first thread deletion too! ;)

[DrDavidBanner]

@ArabellaScott

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I concur

[nepeta]

Based on what I have seen online this sort of thing is not quite as rare as I might have thought.

[Deliriumoftheendless]

I recommend a membrane sweep before the birth.

[Vermeil]

This is just taking the piss. Why do so many people have all the empathy of a Brillo-pad, yet feel so entitled to it from others?

[Datun]

@AuntyFungal

How has this behaviour escaped investigation?

How has this behaviour not triggered a cascade of interventions by social services / child protection?

A TW so deeply immersed in their fantasy of pregnancy and stillbirth - and the DC knowing this & calling them ‘mum’.

How???

Indeed.

There is a wealth of difference between a young man displaying effeminate characteristics and wanting to transition because of homophobia, and this barrel load of shite.

[Datun]

Neither of the examples in my post are women obvs. But they come from very, very different places.

[WishICouldThinkOfAGoodName]

This cannot be real.... this is sick and totally offensive to all women. The guy needs serious psychological help, not women ‘being nice’. I need a vino now to wipe that from my brain.

[NewlyGranny]

I can imagine the actual, living, real children fathered by this person and brought into the world by the soon-to-be-ex-wife asking, "Aren't we enough for you? Why aren't we enough for you?"

[Cuntysnark]

I don’t think I could say what I’m thinking. I’m mystified and horrified.

[Frazzled13]

If a woman who couldn’t have children did this, the kindest people would call them mentally unwell and try to help them. Other people would call them “baby crazy”, tell them to get a life.

No one would just go along with it

[Plussizejumpsuit]

This sounds a bit mad. The person doesn't seem OK. But I'm not sure this can be used as evidence of all trans people being this odd. Also there's a lot of difficulty and mental health challenges associated with being trans so I'm not surprised some people behave strangly. This isn't some kind of evidence women's rights and maternity care are being eroded though. I know all of the posts about trans people on here seem to want to use any example of odd behaviour as evidence this applies to all trans people. But I've never heard of anyone doing this before.

[Mollscroll]

It’s evidence of everyone having to tiptoe round someone who is clearly deeply disturbed. An actual bereaved mother got removed from a pregnancy and lactation group because she challenged this person.