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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cashman in Prick News; When has a cisgender man ever self-identified as a woman to commit crimes?

47 replies

TheFleegleHasLanded · 26/09/2020 12:35

Archived so you don't have to give them clicks

archive.fo/Qzrrr

Perhaps we should email him with some examples?

"Cashman continued: “What evidence of widespread abuse does the secretary of state have from other jurisdictions that have moved to self-ID, or does the secretary of state believe British men are uniquely abusive?”"

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Custardcream1244 · 26/09/2020 12:38

Read the thread on Ireland, a couple of examples there.

AnnaMagnani · 26/09/2020 12:41

Disappointingly there are all those times men have identified as woman permanently and commited crimes.

I know this as they are hanging out in my local sex offender prison, and yes their ID is part of their offender profile.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 26/09/2020 12:47

Things men have pretended to be to gain access to women and girls.
mobile.twitter.com/bunifoosh/status/1234230311564840960

Killers who dressed as women.
mobile.twitter.com/bunifoosh/status/1298389741637980165

Thelnebriati · 26/09/2020 12:50

He thinks it has to be widespread abuse to count? That's not how safeguarding or risk assessments work.

Thelnebriati · 26/09/2020 12:52

The MoJ has acknowledged that, while inmates who identify as transgender make up about one percent of the 3,600 inmates in women’s jails and prisons, they have committed 5.6% of all reported sexual assaults.

www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-inmates-are-raping-female-prisons-at-a-shocking-rate-ministry-of-justice-reveals/

Thelnebriati · 26/09/2020 12:53

Katie Dolatowski has escaped with a slap on the wrist after sexually assaulting a ten-year-old girl in the women’s bathroom at Morrisons, Kirkcaldy.
She grabbed the terrified youngster by the face, shoved her into the cubicle and ordered her to remove her trousers.
thebridgehead.ca/2019/02/13/biological-male-identifying-as-female-sexually-assaults-ten-year-old-girl-in-supermarket-bathroom/

wellbehavedwomen · 26/09/2020 12:58

Perhaps he should look at the Irish press this last week. Though of course, the incredibly dangerous 'cisgender' male (the clinicians do not regard the claims to be trans to be genuine - just that this person has a severe personality disorder) they are seeking to contain can't be reported as anything but a woman, because of self ID.

It's a tad hard to collate evidence, when one is prevented by law from doing so.

NonCis · 26/09/2020 12:59

Even one example (though clearly we have many more) should be enough, when one of the major concerns is the system around the individual which serves to enable them. Jimmy Saville was one individual. The most alarming thing is the complex set of systems which enabled him, and his actions highlighted the systems which needed to be altered. Gender ideology involves systems which have similar potential to enable.

Datun · 26/09/2020 13:00

Seriously, what a stupid thing to ask.

Now he's just going to get all the examples.

DeaconBoo · 26/09/2020 13:02

When has a cisgender man ever self-identified as a woman to commit crimes?

Well, it's a trick question, innit? Once a cisgender man self-identifies as a woman, she is a woman and never was a cisgender man. Are they trying to goad people into saying something transphobic like a man can lie about his gender identity?

MichelleofzeResistance · 26/09/2020 13:04

This is the other side of the coin to the no true TW has ever committed any kind of assault' line, isn't it? Confused As if it was only possible for men to sort out and clearly label in thought experiment the males who do and have obviously and evidentially assaulted women, (to the major distress of women, which is why women keep banging on about really not being keen on this and not happy about policies that will obviously expose them to a whole lot more of this....) and then somehow .... what? Prove that those men have absolutely nothing to do with assaulting women or going into women's spaces, and women will go whoopee, assault and male violence has been vanished in a puff of logic, thank God for Cashman?

Would men with no skin whatsoever in the game please stop wittering on with their ruddy thought experiments about why women have no right to talk about their spaces or the right to live safely in a society where male violence is rife? Because it's screaming misogyny, deeply patronising and othering to women, and this waffling around 'no true trans' etc etc horribly patronising and othering to trans people.

OvaHere · 26/09/2020 13:06

He's going to need to define what the fundamental difference is between a 'cisgender' male and a male who self IDs as a woman given that the act of self ID is basically declaring oneself as something.

Yaniv for example in Canada is trans because they say so but on what basis? Their identity (based on their actions) seems to wrapped up in violating women, in particular ethnic minority women and young girls.

titchy · 26/09/2020 13:11

If Cashman thought about this further he'd see he's just scored an own goal. Either TW have a much higher offending rate than natal women, or large numbers of natal males pretend to be TW in order to commit crimes against women.

Deliriumoftheendless · 26/09/2020 13:18

Now I wonder what he’ll do when he gets all the evidence sent his way? 🤔

Will he say “woah! Thank you, I never realised how widespread this is! Sorry!”

Or will he mash the block button like it’s a pan of potatoes?

Vote now!

MichelleofzeResistance · 26/09/2020 13:20

Thought experiment for Cashman: when has any woman who has just been the victim of an assault by a male, given a fuck about how that male was choosing to identify in the moment of the assault?

OvaHere · 26/09/2020 13:21

@Deliriumoftheendless

Now I wonder what he’ll do when he gets all the evidence sent his way? 🤔

Will he say “woah! Thank you, I never realised how widespread this is! Sorry!”

Or will he mash the block button like it’s a pan of potatoes?

Vote now!

Women have had all this out with Cashman on twitter before. He's not interested in listening, like his fellow ideologue Cohen women and girls are not important to him in the slightest and he cares not a jot what happens to them.
CaraDuneRedux · 26/09/2020 13:33

The fact that nearly 50% of the prisoners in the male estate who identify as trans are in for sex crimes (see BBC fact check) is a bit of a problem, isn't it?

In fact, it's what logicians call a dilemma - in that either one thing or its opposite are true, but either way the conclusion is you're stuffed.

Either all those prisoners are exactly what they say they are (which is what proponents of self ID would have us believe) in which case transwomen are more likely than the randomly selected members of the male prison population to be sex offenders. (For the record I do NOT think this is actually the case).

Or those prisoners are not what they say they are, they are in fact (as the association of prison governors and the professional body of clinical psychologists who deal with offenders both warned Maria Miller's parliamentary select committee) male sex offenders who've spotted a way of (a) getting at a literally captive pool of potential victims and (b) fancy what they perceive as a "cushier" time in a women's prison. (This, incidentally, is what I think is the much more likely explanation of the numbers).

It's got to be one or the other.

Either way, self ID looks like a very bad idea.

Socrates11 · 26/09/2020 14:27

What evidence?! What bloody damn evidence!!! Done this a couple of times on Twitter recently, given solid evidence of male offender convictions for all manner of offences, 'oh not that kind of evidence, I need particular stats'... (that have not been compiled so as I can carry on being right)

And then we have news outlets being gagged by courts so half the information about crimes are missing. More 'Women' committing violent & sexual crimes. Newspaper reports disappearing from archives etc...

I'm glad women have come together politically over self id & think there are plenty more battles for us to fight...

FreezerBird · 26/09/2020 14:41

b) fancy what they perceive as a "cushier" time in a women's prison

Incidentally, I've a friend who has worked as a prison officer in both the male and female estate and I suspect he would laugh in the face of this notion. Women's prisons are tough.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 26/09/2020 14:55

What Cara said.

I wasted half an evening last week writing to the sodding LibDems about their trendy new transphobia policy trying to explain this, though nothing like as well.

andyoldlabour · 26/09/2020 15:19

Well, well, I have just been on Cashman's twitter feed and come across this. I wonder if I should add some more relevant information, to balance out tweets from some "usual suspects"? Cashman retweeted this.

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1309462979193311233

NonCis · 26/09/2020 15:28

The other possible option, @CaraDuneRedux, is that it's a bit of both. But yes, it's definitely not neither.

andyoldlabour · 26/09/2020 15:34

It is the reporting of these events which would be very confusing to any member of the public, who was unaware of what is going on at the moment.

transcrimeuk.com/2019/03/23/peyton-rose-monteaux/

merrymouse · 26/09/2020 15:38

I don't think today is a good day to ask this question.