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Cashman in Prick News; When has a cisgender man ever self-identified as a woman to commit crimes?

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TheFleegleHasLanded · 26/09/2020 12:35

Archived so you don't have to give them clicks

archive.fo/Qzrrr

Perhaps we should email him with some examples?

"Cashman continued: “What evidence of widespread abuse does the secretary of state have from other jurisdictions that have moved to self-ID, or does the secretary of state believe British men are uniquely abusive?”"

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SweetGrapes · 26/09/2020 16:08

Would men with no skin whatsoever in the game please stop wittering on with their ruddy thought experiments about why women have no right to talk about their spaces or the right to live safely in a society where male violence is rife? Because it's screaming misogyny, deeply patronising and othering to women, and this waffling around 'no true trans' etc etc horribly patronising and othering to trans people.

This!!!

merrymouse · 26/09/2020 16:17

Because it's screaming misogyny, deeply patronising and othering to women, and this waffling around 'no true trans' etc etc horribly patronising and othering to trans people.

Exactly. It's impossible to get inside somebody else's head and say whether they are cis or trans.

However self ID legislation has been exploited to harass and abuse women, Canada having some notable examples. It's difficult to believe that Cashman isn't aware of them.

BatShite · 27/09/2020 00:01

I would love to know the logic behind so many pretending its never happened nor will ever happen, people who think it will happen are just paranoid, whilst there are multiple instances of it fucking happening already Hmm

BatShite · 27/09/2020 00:03

Also its not necessarily about 'cis' men pretending to be trans and committing sexual assaults etc. Its just about males in general, which would include males who 'genuinely are trans' too. Though of course, once they commit a crime there are dozens of people standing by to decry them of 'not really being trans', but same people will then claim minutes later that 'no non-trans men pretend to be trans' despite saying someone did just minutes earlier..

Escapeplanning · 27/09/2020 00:13

I finally listened to the WEP assembly session when evidence was given about the impact on women in great detail. The final speaker was a male voice repeating over and over that there was no impact.

Cashman et al are beginning to sound just as ridiculous.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 27/09/2020 08:59

I would love to know the logic behind so many pretending its never happened or will ever happen, people who think it will happen are just paranoid, whilst there are multiple instances of it fucking happening already
If people have a strong belief that X never happens, and you then present examples, they will then accuse you of lying ('I've never known this happen so you...'), exaggerating ('It may happen but the incidents are minor and easily resolved') and making it up ('Oh reeeeeally?'), and if that fails they'll fall back on victim blaming ('Well, it was extraordinary bad luck that Y chose to do that so X happened...')

You don't argue to convince people like that, because they are not there for an honest argument, but to confirm and expound their own prejudices. You argue to lay the info out in front of undecided lurkers

SerenityNowwwww · 27/09/2020 09:10

Meanwhile in Canada a new law is passed...

“The law signed Saturday says officers must ask inmates privately during the intake process if they identify as transgender, nonbinary or intersex. Those inmates can then request to be placed in a facility that houses either men or women.”

What could go wrong ... 🙄

BatShite · 27/09/2020 15:29

If that law is well known, the mens estate is going to be like a ghost town surely...

SerenityNowwwww · 27/09/2020 15:32

They have to ask apparently. What is it with California?

Oxyiz · 27/09/2020 15:54

Surely the answer is, not one single "cis" man will have done this, because once you say you're transgender, you unquestionably are. It doesn't matter what other people think your motive is.

SerenityNowwwww · 27/09/2020 16:00

And any crimes committed against the other inmates is an absolute surprise?

SerenityNowwwww · 27/09/2020 16:06

From an article

“It's just a false narrative about transgender people and about transgender women in particular that they're somehow not really women and are just trying to scam their way into women's bathrooms or facilities in order to do bad things,” Wiener said. “Overwhelmingly the people who are being victimized are trans people.”

At any time, if inmates raises concerns about their health or safety, the law says the state must reassess where they are housed.”

Wiener is rather naive I think. So no one ever lies or has ill intent and you can always trust a convicted criminal not to try to use a rule to their advantage. And if someone doesn’t like it or feels unsafe - they are rehoused (my reading of the last para)?

Melroses · 27/09/2020 16:22

[quote andyoldlabour]Well, well, I have just been on Cashman's twitter feed and come across this. I wonder if I should add some more relevant information, to balance out tweets from some "usual suspects"? Cashman retweeted this.

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1309462979193311233[/quote]
Well, as Cashman is retweeting his pat on the back from M for "kowtowing" to her agenda......... we are getting reflections of reflections.

BatShite · 27/09/2020 16:42

Even guys who are not after abusing women..are likely to claim to be trans surely, as its well known how horrific male prisons are for the huge majority of men housed there? Next step to this logically is surely just having mixed sex prisons (otherwise, there will be many thousands of 'women' in prison and there will have to be many more built, meanwhile, mens prisons will get curiously emptier and become almost unneeded at all.., thus placing women at huge risk, so men are happier..

NiceGerbil · 27/09/2020 16:49

Like a PP said it's a trick question.

If a person says they are trans they are, if they say they are the opposite sex they are.

Therefore a 'cisgender' man cannot 'pretend' to be trans. I mean no one can see into anyone elses heads (except Layla Moran) and so no one can say they are lying.

Also isn't it rather man hating to say any male with a trans identity who commits a crime must really be male? I mean isn't 'women do it too so the answer isn't single sex prisons'???

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/09/2020 17:29

Therefore a 'cisgender' man cannot 'pretend' to be trans. I mean no one can see into anyone elses heads (except Layla Moran) and so no one can say they are lying.

Yes, it's an unfalsifiable statement.

Escapeplanning · 27/09/2020 23:47

“It's just a false narrative about transgender people and about transgender women in particular that they're somehow not really women

This is not a false narrative. It's just the way of things Micheal. Get over it.

and are just trying to scam their way into women's bathrooms or facilities in order to do bad things,”

Is this what you think Michael? I call bulshit on this. Explain why and how trans is a scam.

Wiener said. “Overwhelmingly the people who are being victimized are trans people.”

Maybe you should ask Weiner and other men to stop doing this then.

NotBadConsidering · 27/09/2020 23:59

@SerenityNowwwww

Meanwhile in Canada a new law is passed...

“The law signed Saturday says officers must ask inmates privately during the intake process if they identify as transgender, nonbinary or intersex. Those inmates can then request to be placed in a facility that houses either men or women.”

What could go wrong ... 🙄

quillette.com/2019/10/12/male-bodied-rapists-are-being-imprisoned-with-women-why-do-so-few-people-care/

Good description of Canada here, but of course, Michael Cashman won’t see this as a problem of “cis” men pretending, because these people say they’re trans women, therefore they are.

spiderbride · 28/09/2020 01:08

I'm pretty sure the tech blogger known as JY is dressing up as a woman solely to get access to young girls, but as PPs have said, it's a catch-22. Once a bloke says he's a woman, that's that, apparently.

NotBadConsidering · 28/09/2020 02:02

From Canada also, in 2014 the Toronto Sun reporter that Christopher Hambrook “falsely claimed to be transgender”. Would they be allowed to say he “falsely” claimed now? If Christopher was to say today that he is Jessica, who would be able to say he isn’t?

torontosun.com/2014/02/26/predator-who-claimed-to-be-transgender-declared-dangerous-offender

www.womenarehuman.com/male-trans-pedophilia-rape-history-sexually-attacks-women-at-homeless-shelter-christopher-hambrook/

Jux · 28/09/2020 14:59

WOMEN ARE PEOPLE TOO

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