Nude Family swim at Stoke Waterworld

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Flagged up by Sammy Woodhouse on Twitter.
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Supported by who else but NSPCC.

Adults can buy a single ticket.

To Shut it down, Change petition here:
www.change.org/p/water-world-stop-nude-family-swim-session-for-adults-and-children-of-all-ages-at-water-world?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_24863394_en-GB%3A2&recruiter=1151217419&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=tap_basic_share

Attended by convicted paedophile
www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/4047602.convicted-brierfield-paedophile-member-naturist-club/

Unbelievable.

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Lordamighty

And therein lies my concern in print. Thanks for the link.

Thanks Handsoffhisback, I should have known better than to tab on this thread, it has invoked all sorts of feelings, if I don’t come back please feel free to use my example as a discussion point from a child’s POV, kids do what their parents want them to do, at least they did back in the 70’s, doesn’t mean they are really ok with it, some will be I guess but not me.

@Handsoffisback

It’s amazing really that we’ve got other threads where women are so passionate about keeping random naked men away from themselves and their children and then on here we have other women actively taking their children to events where total strangers are walking around with their genitals out.

There's nothing wrong with not wanting your genitals on show, or not wanting to see others' genitals.

But, on the other hand, there's nothing wrong with being comfortable with it.

Harm only comes when nudity is used to shock or intimidate others, or when it's approached voyeuristically. I say, yet again, that most paedophiles wear clothes and most abuse happens within a trusted family and friends circle - it is not commonly committed by naked strangers.

I don't understand why people are so judgemental of others' choices.

vinyl are bonkers feelings invalid based on your notion of how people should feel?

I haven’t said anything about how “people should feel”. Perhaps you’ve mixed me up with someone else.

And actually how some of my counselling dealt with my experience is that Naturism was popular back in the 70’s, and to hear events going on like this today makes my blood boil.

@Bonkersblond

Thanks Handsoffhisback, I should have known better than to tab on this thread, it has invoked all sorts of feelings, if I don’t come back please feel free to use my example as a discussion point from a child’s POV, kids do what their parents want them to do, at least they did back in the 70’s, doesn’t mean they are really ok with it, some will be I guess but not me.

My personal view is that we need sensible, rational discussions and information about paedophilia and safe guarding etc., and not those born from hysteria and knee jerk reactions. Demonising naturism is a case in point.

I believe society is always moving forwards in how it understands such things, and we still have a lot to do.

We don’t shut any (all) schools down because a teacher turned out to be a paedophile. We may want more information from the school, we may seek to confirm that the school is addressing anything overlooked or anything can be improved upon. This is because we understand that the despite the best efforts of the school, an individual has managed to breach the safety measures in place, or what was unapparent became so for whatever reason.

By the argument of banning naturism because of the news articles and personal story, we should also ban babysitting because that was also shared as an incident relating to abuse here too. This is of course not a sensible option.

These were times when children were alone with adults, or in the care of other adults.

Remember, in naturism, children are under the supervision of, and responsibility of their parents at all times.

Parents do their best with regards to safeguarding all the time, and make decisions about who they trust or not.

My naturist male friends aren’t more of a risk than my non-naturist male friends just because they are a naturist.

It’s a complex issue. And one that needs constant examination, but not in the context of banning something as a knee jerk reaction.

To be clear, I’m not saying things can’t happen, they can and do, the same as they can anywhere. But establishments like schools and British Naturism, together with parents, can mitigate against them to the best of their ability and with continued developing knowledge.

@Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel

StephenKong Your posts are very odd, VinylDetective. Are they? In what way?

You know exactly. You're one to watch.

I don’t know at all. If a 67 year old woman is “one to watch” - I’m not sure what that means but it’s obviously not complimentary - the world has become a very, very sad place.

My naturist male friends aren’t more of a risk than my non-naturist male friends just because they are a naturist How do you know, my parents felt this too, it was a few years later when I told my parents, they’d asked me, they’d suddenly put 2&2 together, it explained my rudeness around one of their friends and the reason they’d asked me was because they’d heard through the grapevine that he’d been inappropriate round other kids.

My naturist male friends aren’t more of a risk than my non-naturist male friends just because they are a naturist

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@SterFran00 this is the third time I have posted this link and I have @ you because I would love to hear your views on this.

And you know my abuse didn’t happen without my clothes on but to think that that creep had seen me as a young girl without clothes sickens me. Subject your kids to it, hope they don’t get to 54 years old feeling like I do.

It’s just weird. That’s all.

@DreadPirateLuna

It's all cultural really. Germans would probably laugh at our shock-horror about nudity, while Afghanis would be horrified that we allow our children to be seen in public in what appears to be underwear.

Seriously. I am kind of surprised that some of the people in this discussion allow their kids to wear swimsuits in public at all. It's not like they leave anything to the imagination.

Are the children naked or just the adults?

So sorry Bonkers

Safeguarding, for those who support it, doesn’t come from puritanical or paranoid feelings or silliness of any kind but from absolute necessity and statistical fact/experience/likelihood of risk.

We all need to practice safeguarding with our kids to protect them as best we can but also to help them develop appropriate boundaries to help them understand the importance of safeguarding. The risks are still applicable whether we want to see the world as being like that, or not.

I am very keen for kids and adults to be able to be around a range of different bodies (of their own sex) and this is all still possible to observe at a beach etc without requiring any nudity. I am also fine with a single sex expected-naked environment, with options for anyone who didn’t want to be naked; like a sauna situation. But I would never be happy in a mixed-sex naked environment as i would find it too threatening and oppressive, even if it was In a community where I knew everyone and didn’t feel literally vulnerable to attack. And that especially goes for a situation where I was responsible for children.

My issues about naturism as a political belief or movement are that it seems to arise from a very (what I imagine to be) specifically male experience/relationship of your own body to the environment, and to other people‘s reactions to your (male) body in society.

I do get the principle of wanting to take pleasure in being in your own body without fear of threat or shame or threat of your nakedness being sexualised by another person in any way that would fundamentally bother you. But in my experience this is a form of male privilege, or something that women talk about experiencing only when they are well away from the male gaze.

(This is one of the reasons why women object to the loss of single-sex spaces, like female-only opportunities to exercise and socialise- which is currently being done to us wholesale to pander to genderist politics, led by people who are happy to see safeguarding dismantled completely.)

Ster I’d imagine that many naturists have thought carefully about bodies and consent and context and the sexual differences between men and women and how that relates to power relationships and individual autonomy, as these are the fundamentals presumably of it all working as positively as some people feel that it does.

So for example, what happens when women have a period in naturist culture? How is it dealt with practically and regarded? What limitations (if any) does menstruation place on the full participation of women and girls in naturism? And also can I ask what is an acceptable level of personal physical privacy in naturism, before this becomes not-naturism?

**Ster I’d imagine that many naturists have thought carefully about bodies and consent and context and the sexual differences between men and women and how that relates to power relationships and individual autonomy, as these are the fundamentals presumably of it all working as positively as some people feel that it does.

You’re absolutely right - these kinds of concepts are almost unspoken, hugely understood underpinnings of naturism: it’s an environment built on respect of each individual, and therefore there is an expectation that no one is treated in a way that transgresses personal autonomy/boundaries etc. It’s almost like a golden rule.

It’s a refreshing environment to be in as a female. We are often taught that how we dress (or not) affects how men might treat us, we are taught to almost expect it and how to defend against it. In naturism, that kind of context or worry is transcended - I’m a female and even though I’m choosing to be naked in naturist environment, nothing bad is happening - In fact I’m being hugely respected and know that I will be and that I’m safe.

I think maybe that’s why I would challenge the notion that somehow being in a ‘same sex’ naturist environment like you mention would somehow be ‘better’ or safer. I would worry about the message that would send ie not trusting others of the opposite sex, and that as a female all females are therefore of no inherent ‘threat’. Or that I as a mother could take my daughter but not my son. Everyone in a naturist (or let’s go further, non naturist) environment should be respected and feel safe not just within the context of their own gender.

Having said that, if someone would feel comfortable just within their own gender and there is a context that supports that, then of course that is their choice and relationship with themselves to seek out that experience.

You also ask about periods - this is personal choice. Some women choose to use tampons or mooncups, others pads. Many women feel more comfortable wearing bikini bottoms during their periods. It really is what suits the individual and what they feel most comfortable doing.

I’m not sure if I fully understand your question about personal physical privacy - can you elaborate and then I can give an accurate answer?

I'm so sorry Bonkersblond

Until someone can actually explain how taking children out in public places naked, without their consent and around strangers who have their genitals out, is ok, then I will continue to remain baffled as to how this is appropriate. The fact is, no one can claim it’s ok, because it’s really not. As others have said, if you want to get your bits out in public with other consenting adults, fine, not bothered, but don’t involve children because you claim it’s a core family value or other such bullshit

It's just utterly incomprehensible that decent people would do this to their children . I'd suggest searching the devices of anyone that thinks it's ok. These people are not normal. Nobody wants to see random people's bits. Certainly children don't. It's sickening.

Anyone that thinks it's ok is clearly a deviant. Why the fuck should children put in this situation?! MAP (pedophiles) members must be rubbing their hands in glee.