Nude Family swim at Stoke Waterworld

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Flagged up by Sammy Woodhouse on Twitter.
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Supported by who else but NSPCC.

Adults can buy a single ticket.

To Shut it down, Change petition here:
www.change.org/p/water-world-stop-nude-family-swim-session-for-adults-and-children-of-all-ages-at-water-world?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_24863394_en-GB%3A2&recruiter=1151217419&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=tap_basic_share

Attended by convicted paedophile
www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/4047602.convicted-brierfield-paedophile-member-naturist-club/

Unbelievable.

I’m not some unfortunate worst case scenario!

What's to stop a convicted paedophile doing anything other than taking a job where DBS checks are required? What's to stop a convicted paedophile moving to the house next door and seeing your children naked in the paddling pool? What's to stop a convicted paedophile getting a job at Marks & Spencer and installing a hidden camera in the children's changing rooms? What's to stop a convicted paedophile in your neighbourhood attending a barbecue in your street and cornering the neighbourhood children in the garden shed?

This is your answer?

No.

If you are hosting events where children don't have any clothes on, and any adult can show up, without their clothes on, there needs to be some kind of gatekeeping, ffs.

My comment telling the truth was deleted. Not rude, no insults. Just truth. Wow. This place gets more ridiculous every day. Defending this perverse shit. Seriously.

@DarkmilkAddict

They weren’t “complicit in the abuse”. The abuse was being taken there. Which all the other families were doing to their dc too.

I apologise if I have used the wrong term. What I meant is that I'd understood from your posts that they were part of the abuse - they were not safeguarding you.

How do you safeguard when children and adults are all naked together, and no one is gatekeeping?!!!

What would safeguarding mean in that environment though? Not making me see a load of strangers genitals? Not making me feel incongruous/weird for keeping my clothes on?

It’s impossible, the situation itself crosses a boundary

@DarkmilkAddict

What would safeguarding mean in that environment though? Not making me see a load of strangers genitals? Not making me feel incongruous/weird for keeping my clothes on?

It’s impossible, the situation itself crosses a boundary

Safeguarding would mean firstly, not forcing children to participate in the naturism if they didn't want to.

Safeguarding would mean secondly, ensuring that participating children weren't left alone without their parents.

Safeguarding would mean, thirdly, being alert to signs of inappropriate interest - staring, signs of arousal etc. - as you might be at a swimming pool, for example, and reporting/removing children from that situation.

Ok, a- there are many reasons children don’t feel able to speak up, b- it’s not realistic that teenagers are with parents every minute of a holiday, c- you can’t police the way a man looks at a naked teenage girl.

Fucking traumatic, and I’m not telling you my story for fun

Yea there’s also the issue that you know it’s too shameful to tell anyone at school

I just don't see how you can tell whether a child really wants to participate in naturism though. I would have gone along with all sorts of things as a child if I felt it would gain me the approval of the adults I loved. Not that I lacked positive attention, but I was eager to please and might have squashed down discomfort because I believed my parents knew what was right because they were adults and I was a child. I also wouldn't have understood all the nuances around nudity that adults do enough to know whether it was something I wanted or not. I can picture being ok with it at the time and then looking back on those experiences with discomfort as a teen or adult.

None of this is me rubbishing naturism as a whole, or disagreeing with the very valid points made about the benefits of children seeing bodies as normal. But for me, I feel like the potential for this to go wrong, as clearly it has for some posters, outweigh the benefits. I suppose I don't see why children can't get the benefits from being naked in private with their families instead of being exposed to strangers. Whereas the football example is different, because I can't train my child to be a good footballer in my garden with just me and my DH.

Eww ffs

Thank you Handsoff I really appreciate that. I ought to use my energy to start a campaign or something! Honestly I’m not a prude, and I’m fine with consenting adults doing what they like, but it’s so different for children.

I think the conversations in this thread are becoming rather circular now. I don't want to go on with a debate that may be distressing to some who have suffered parental abuse.

I will summarise my view by saying that no one is denying paedophiles may exist in naturism - but, unfortunately, they exist in almost every environment and there is no evidence that they are more common in naturism than any other activity.

@DarkmilkAddict - I know exactly where you are coming from 💐my very first experience of the Naturist club we went nearly every weekend in the summer hols, the blue inviting pool that any kid would just want to jump into, the slight catch, you weren’t allowed to wear swimwear, so a child is faced with this decision and forced to take their clothes off if they want to swim.

I'm so sorry to hear what happened to you dark

Many times on naturist beaches I have confronted voyeurs, wankers and my friend chased a man following her daughter swimming, and him arrested. He had form. I wouldn’t take children on the beaches as this happens . As always women notice the suspicious ones, but the men deny there’s a problem. I would really like women beaches..

I've signed the petition against this and hope everyone else has too

It's shocking that single adult men can buy tickets for this. What on earth is the pool thinking?

Safeguarding doesn't seem to matter anymore.

mandoshathair et al, do you allow your children to display their hair? Do you display your hair? If so why? What could possibly be pleasant about it? Are you sick? I worry about parents who allow their children to display their hair.... Can children give informed consent to displaying their hair / feet / ankle? yadda yadda yadda. Horses for courses. We’re all different. Try to get out more and see the world with all its fascinating customs & differences. It can be fun. It’s weird that a known paedophile is allowed to such an event, but no need to attack people who have quite calmly and coherently explained their way of life.

Thanks all, I reckon I’ve worked through some issues on here!

It actually wasn’t the naked women who I felt uncomfortable around, thinking back. If I imagine a similar set up with no men it would’ve definitely felt odd, but the fear and shame would’ve been much lower