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Nude Family swim at Stoke Waterworld

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VortexofBloggery · 24/09/2020 12:03

Flagged up by Sammy Woodhouse on Twitter.
mobile.twitter.com/sammywoodhouse1/status/1308822025797013509

Supported by who else but NSPCC.

Adults can buy a single ticket.

To Shut it down, Change petition here:
www.change.org/p/water-world-stop-nude-family-swim-session-for-adults-and-children-of-all-ages-at-water-world?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_24863394_en-GB%3A2&recruiter=1151217419&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=tap_basic_share

Attended by convicted paedophile
www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/4047602.convicted-brierfield-paedophile-member-naturist-club/

Unbelievable.

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Wearywithteens · 26/09/2020 10:46

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SerenityNowwwww · 26/09/2020 10:49

So if the children go into school on Monday and try to explain what they did at the weekend (draw a wee picture) - wouldn’t the teachers think ‘naked child around a bunch of naked strangers... helooooo....’

SterFran00 · 26/09/2020 11:02

@Clymene

When I was a teenager, my best friend was forced to attend naked holidays and events with her parents (let's not use the euphemism 'naturism' - it's about getting naked). She was leered at and saw men with visible erections staring at her body. She hated going but was told by her parents that she was a prude for objecting. She was also told she was a prude for objecting to her parents having sex with other people in their home which her younger siblings in particular found very distressing.

So no, I don't buy the freedom argument , nor do I buy that children have no issue with it. Those children did not consent. But their parents didn't care and did it anyway.

I know, I know, I was leaving...

But I felt this was important to address and people clearly still have questions...

This is a sad story and sorry your friend went through all this.

But, it wasn’t naturism... I’m sure there are places that adults can go to and get naked and be sexual, but that isn’t naturism, that’s something else entirely. If someone is taking their children, that’s a parenting issue and we can probably all agree a serious one. Same as clearly not listening to their children’s views and discomfort around sex in the home (again, not naturism, so a different issue).

If men were standing around with erections at anything I’ve ever been to, they would be evicted and never allowed back...

This is why British Naturism exists as an organisation - to promote what naturism should be and provide safe environments for those wishing to experience true naturism. Anything other just isn’t tolerated.

Wearywithteens · 26/09/2020 11:07

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Clymene · 26/09/2020 11:08

What exactly wasn't naturism @SterFran00? The fact that some men are into naturism because they get a sexual thrill from being around naked children? I'm sure you don't but I suspect my friend or Bonkersblond's experiences were that unusual.

Like I said, you're very naive.

ButcherManWasSomeLady · 26/09/2020 11:11

This reminds me of "artists" who take photos of their naked children.

I think if you wait for the child to grow up and then (at say age eighteen) the child gives consent for the image to go on an art gallery wall then fine.

Not a moment sooner tho'...

The naturist kids don't get a choice.

SterFran00 · 26/09/2020 11:17

@Clymene

What exactly wasn't naturism *@SterFran00*? The fact that some men are into naturism because they get a sexual thrill from being around naked children? I'm sure you don't but I suspect my friend or Bonkersblond's experiences were that unusual.

Like I said, you're very naive.

Sorry thought I was clear - with reference to the story you shared, parents taking their children into an overtly sexual environment - that isn’t naturism. The fact the adults had no clothes on is almost irrelevant - that doesn’t make it naturism just because they were naked. It was clearly sexual and the adults were clearly there for that reason. The circumstances around why the parents took their children there is beyond my remit to speculate. If I went somewhere like that, I’d turn on my heel and leave immediately.
Deliriumoftheendless · 26/09/2020 11:24

@SerenityNowwwww

So if the children go into school on Monday and try to explain what they did at the weekend (draw a wee picture) - wouldn’t the teachers think ‘naked child around a bunch of naked strangers... helooooo....’
If a child told me that I’d pass it to our Safeguarding Lead.
Pelleas · 26/09/2020 11:31

Whilst I don't doubt the intentions of the organisers, my opinion is that it should be either adults only, or only adults with children.

Do you realise how offensive your opinion is? I'm really tired of the view that if people have children of their own, they are somehow immune from being paedophiles, yet anyone who doesn't have children is automatically suspicious.

Most child sex abuse happens within the family circle :

www.nspcc.org.uk/what-is-child-abuse/types-of-abuse/child-sexual-abuse/

It's common for paedophiles to target single mothers to gain access to their children:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7665023/Detective-Inspector-warns-paedophiles-using-dating-apps-like-Tinder-target-single-mothers.html

Do you imagine paedophiles commonly choose to be childfree, thus making it highly unlikely they'll have much to do with children or be left on their own with them?

Do you think it doesn't occur to paedophiles that all they have to do is get someone pregnant (or fall pregnant themselves in the rarer case of female abusers) to have unfettered access to a child?

The risk to your child is not the childless person who may attend an organised naturist event - where the children will be chaperoned by their parents.

The risk to your child is the trusted family member who babysits, or the football coach with whom they are left unchaperoned, or your new partner if you are a single mum or even your child's biological father.

The last people you should suspect are those who choose to lead a life free of children.

Clymene · 26/09/2020 11:53

No @SterFran00 - you are misunderstanding me. This was a naturism resort with lots of other families there. I'm sure 90% of the men there were wholesome and lovely. But not all of them were. And as a parent, you really need to be aware of that

YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 26/09/2020 12:08

While strongly disagreeing with another poster is absolutely fine, can we ask that you do so without resorting to personal attacks? Thanks.

LadyH846 · 26/09/2020 12:11

@Comefromaway

I think a lot of people in this thread have severe hang ups about their own bodies.

I have hang ups, I freely admit it. But I hope I am open minded enough to see that my hang ups are probably not normal and that naturists probably have it right.

Honestly I don't have hang ups about my body. I'm pretty happy with it and I've skinny dipped before.

But saying that, I also know how pervy and disgusting men can be. I've experienced it all my adult life and I refuse to believe that naturism doesn't have some shady characters participating.

Me and a friend went topless on a nudist beach in Italy once and noticed a man masturbating over us several metres away. Never again.

I think the people on this thread who think naturism is A-OK are those people who are very lucky not to have been sexually assaulted, flashed at, rubbed up against, etc. That stuff has been happening to me on and off for 20 years, so yes, I am a bit suspicious of men who like to be naked around women and children, and who may be there because they like to see naked women and children.

SterFran00 · 26/09/2020 12:11

@Clymene

No *@SterFran00* - you are misunderstanding me. This was a naturism resort with lots of other families there. I'm sure 90% of the men there were wholesome and lovely. But not all of them were. And as a parent, you really need to be aware of that
I would still stand by my original sentiment - that isn’t/wasn’t true naturism, even if it was purporting to be. And not an environment I would stay in, or any of my naturist friends.

And it certainly hasn’t, and wouldn’t, happen at anything we experience.

ButcherManWasSomeLady · 26/09/2020 12:13

I missed the personal attacks. I must pay more attention!

Clymene · 26/09/2020 12:16

How would you know?

Pelleas · 26/09/2020 12:17

I think the people on this thread who think naturism is A-OK are those people who are very lucky not to have been sexually assaulted, flashed at, rubbed up against, etc

I was flashed at as a teenager. I was fully dressed and so was the flasher, apart from getting his tiny, pathetic penis out. Flashing has nothing to do with naturism - flashing relies on the shock factor. Naturism is actually the one environment in which it's impossible for someone to flash you.

LadyH846 · 26/09/2020 12:22

@Pelleas

I think the people on this thread who think naturism is A-OK are those people who are very lucky not to have been sexually assaulted, flashed at, rubbed up against, etc

I was flashed at as a teenager. I was fully dressed and so was the flasher, apart from getting his tiny, pathetic penis out. Flashing has nothing to do with naturism - flashing relies on the shock factor. Naturism is actually the one environment in which it's impossible for someone to flash you.

Did you miss the part of my post which was about being masturbated over - on a nudist beach!! Was this OK too, because it was on a nudist beach?
Pelleas · 26/09/2020 12:26

As a teenager I

a. Went 'skinny dipping' with a mixed group including other adults and teenagers, around the ages of 12-14.
b. Got flashed at a bus station when I was 17
c. Was the victim of a peeping tom in the showers at university when I was 19.

Guess which experiences disturbed me? The answer is not 'a'.

MandosHatHair · 26/09/2020 12:28

You may be practicing 'true naturism' but others there may not be. As you can see from the news reports in the OP and elsewhere in the thread, people within British Naturism have been found to be paedophiles, so for a while they passed as 'true naturists' and probably got off on the fact that people were none the wiser as to thier true intentions.

PeterPomegranate · 26/09/2020 12:29

I’m sure like many women I have been flashed at and had a man rub himself against me on the tube (I was young and had enough doubt not to want to make a scene). It had nothing to do with naturism. And, as mentioned above, I am no naturist and in fact shy about taking my clothes off.

Pelleas · 26/09/2020 12:29

Did you miss the part of my post which was about being masturbated over - on a nudist beach!! Was this OK too, because it was on a nudist beach?

Masturbating over people isn't 'naturism' though. I'm sorry you had this traumatising experience on a nudist beach.

My point is that being the victim of someone who masturbates in public is traumatic whether you are naked or not. It's an unacceptable thing to do in any environment.

Pelleas · 26/09/2020 12:32

As you can see from the news reports in the OP and elsewhere in the thread, people within British Naturism have been found to be paedophiles

We are going round in circles now. People within football, teaching, scouting, churches etc. have been found to be paedophiles. You can't dismiss an entire organisation because some of its members are abusers.

LadyH846 · 26/09/2020 12:33

@Pelleas

Did you miss the part of my post which was about being masturbated over - on a nudist beach!! Was this OK too, because it was on a nudist beach?

Masturbating over people isn't 'naturism' though. I'm sorry you had this traumatising experience on a nudist beach.

My point is that being the victim of someone who masturbates in public is traumatic whether you are naked or not. It's an unacceptable thing to do in any environment.

You can see how it can be off-putting going to a nudist beach and having that happen. Predatory men are everywhere, I choose not to put myself or my kids naked into an environment where they might be.

The other thing I've found is that some men ogle women's bodies. I get this done to me with my clothes on.

Anyway, I'm not hating on the naturist community, I'm hating on pervy men. Who are literally everywhere whether we like it or not.

LadyH846 · 26/09/2020 12:35

Just to clarify, I don't have kids. But if I did have kids, I'd not want to put them into that environment just in case.

MandosHatHair · 26/09/2020 12:35

Masturbating over people isn't 'naturism' though. I'm sorry you had this traumatising experience on a nudist beach.

But it happened in a nudist environment! Same with that paedophile in the OP, he went to legitimate nudist events and let's face it, the man was there to eye up naked kids. If you had been to one of these events and found out later on that a convicted paedophile was in attendance, how would you honestly feel?