Chair of LGBT APPG complains that deals worked out behind the scenes not adhered too

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“In privately agreeing a way forward with the wider LGBT+ lobby both in parliament & outside”

Nice to have it confirmed that this was all being sewn up behind closed doors

Posie Parker - more balls than Milwall!

CharlieParley, I do hope you've kept a copy of that post in case this thread is taken down.

Thank you for everything, from one of the 51%

Thank you, CharlieParley.

Looks a bit mad when you look at it retrospectively, doesn't it? Yet the government have at last come round to the view that single sex spaces are necessary.

@Datun

Yes, I'm absolutely gobsmacked that not only that he had secret meetings, but that he feels confident enough to brag about it on twitter.

And the threat of publishing the private paper? Where's that then? Is he trying to blackmail somebody into changing their mind before he drops all the info onto social media??

Ugh.

I think a lot of them don't get that it's wrong. They've come out of a landscape where consulting with stakeholders is the way to do things, and if anything that's even more emphasised with anything that's about equality or diversity issues.

It's been given a pass because it's nw seen as a good thing in a lot of contexts - women's rights, gay rights, racial justice issues etc. Basically every identity group now demands that are the only ones who can say what is right and true in relation to their group. The community at large, the people, are the ones that have oppressed them, so they should have no say, whether or not that's democratic. In fact democracy in these instances is another way to oppress.

A lot of progressive political types, I suspect, believe that to be true.

CharlieParley

Fabulous post.

i've been thinking, talking, writing about this for so long, the individual events you've listed get lost in the fast moving stream of the never ending fresh outrages.

But it is an absolute bloody and horrifying scandal that laws which directly affect every single woman and girl this country were talked about stealthily, behind-the-scenes, with a view to getting them ratified on the sly.

Right down to the very meaning of the word woman itself. Legally, biologically, linguistically.

Like many women, it took me a while to fully appreciate what women are up against in terms of misogyny and all pervasive sexism.

But one only has to read your post to be left in absolutely no doubt whatsoever that patriarchal control of women is utterly deliberate.

Balaclavas, dogs, secrecy, violence, threats of rape, even fucking bombs.

Awful.

Men like blunt should hang their heads in shame at the wilful, arrogant disregard and contempt for half the population.

I'd love to see your post in print in mainstream media

I don't fucking believe this.

Except, I do.

So a man allowed a philosophical belief and allowed to offend ... But Maya Forstater isn't?

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/sacked-lild-worker-samuel-jackson-finds-virtue-in-stoicism-claim-2zmhr2qcg

www.socresonline.org.uk/12/1/whittle.html

I've posted this here many times, but here it is again for any one who has not yet read it.

Blunt is an ex Captain of the Royal Hussars from the 1980s. As a woman who served in the military in the 1980s I don't have any expectation that Blunt will consider females as fully human.

Janice Turner mentions this issue in her Times notes column. I don't seem to be able to give a share token on my phone. Perhaps someone else can?

Secret lobbying, almost all-male APPG, with a token TRA female. Remember we were being told during the consultation that "if you aren't trans, this consultation doesn't concern you" so we shouldn't complete it? Meetings banned. Ignored by politicians when we wrote to them. Blocked by MRS on twitter. Even the politicians who came onto MUMSnet refused to engage with our views, FFS!

It has been a systematic removal of every opportunity women would have had to put forward an alternative viewpoint.

How we managed to put the brakes on this particular juggernaut is almost incomprehensible, actually.

Even the politicians who came onto MUMSnet refused to engage with our views, FFS!

Yeah, that's particularly galling. Absolute radio silence on the issue, and even on children's safeguarding concerns, on MN webcast from politicians of many parties.

*webchats

Here's a link for Janice's column, 3rd section.
Many thanks are due to her as one of the most persistent and public of women bringing sunshine. And thanks to the Times that she had a proper newspaper to do it in - it's one of the things the media is for (take note, bbc)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-box-set-makers-are-stealing-our-precious-time-x6qhcpn8t?shareToken=6ce529c23bb4eae64d0008098070959c

It's tucked at the bottom of her piece, testing the water?

Why are external interest groups privy to that information? How do they get to see it? @ChattyLion

Feels like a freedom of information request ....

[quote ErrolTheDragon]Here's a link for Janice's column, 3rd section.
Many thanks are due to her as one of the most persistent and public of women bringing sunshine. And thanks to the Times that she had a proper newspaper to do it in - it's one of the things the media is for (take note, bbc)

[[https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-box-set-makers-are-stealing-our-precious-time-x6qhcpn8t?shareToken=6ce529c23bb4eae64d0008098070959c]][/quote]
for once the trans activist strategy used in other nations to push self-ID through without public debate, or bundled in with other legislation, was foiled. Feminists, often at great personal cost, demanded that this issue be exposed to sunlight and the impact on women’s legal protections be considered. Damn them! Janice Turner, The Times 24 September 2020

^this
thanks @ErrolTheDragon

Did anyone post a link to the privately discussed guidance from APPG that Liz Truss choose to ignore?

www.appglgbt.org/news/delivering-respect-and-reassurance-around-trans-equality-in-the-uk

From that link

There are now several countries with simple statutory declaration gender recognition processes for updating birth certificates that are working smoothly without any unintended consequences or negative impact on women.

Unless you are a Canadian woman offering beauty services in your home.

About The UK Parliament’s All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) on Global LGBT+ Rights

The six officers comprise five men
www.appglgbt.org/officers

The four partners include Stonewall but not LGBT groups and people that disagree with Stonewall's decision to replace sex with gender in 2015
www.appglgbt.org/secretariat

Fraid I have to post and run and haven't been able to read the last 20 or so threads, but for information only, I came across this earlier

As well as being a member of STAG, she is the Chair of Consortium, a charity working with LGBT charities, is the secretary of the Parliamentary Forum on Gender Identity

'She' is Helen Belcher, who is on Stonewall's Trans team and is whispering in the ears of many politicians, including Layla Moran. Presumably supplied or recommended by Stonewall. Demonstrating how incestuous this all is, as Charley Parley and others who understand the system have indicated.

UPDATE:

CrispinBlunt has been granted an urgent question (UQ) this morning on
Liz Truss's statement on the Government's response to the GRA Consultation

you can watch the urgent question UQ live here
parliamentlive.tv/Commons

[quote FindTheTruth]UPDATE:

CrispinBlunt has been granted an urgent question (UQ) this morning on
Liz Truss's statement on the Government's response to the GRA Consultation

you can watch the urgent question UQ live here
parliamentlive.tv/Commons[/quote]
Urgent question: To ask the Minister for Women and Equalities if she will make a statement on the Government's response to the Gender Recognition Act 2004 outlined in the Government Equalities Office Update of September 22

Crispin Blunt MP (Reigate, Conservative)

www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/f63a02f0-0018-4a77-b8d4-037dc41e3558?agenda=True

Did I just miss it, @FindTheTruth?

@Escapeplanning

www.socresonline.org.uk/12/1/whittle.html

I've posted this here many times, but here it is again for any one who has not yet read it.

Wow, just read the abstract while hanging on the phone waiting to be dealt with and this leapt out:

The sex/gender distinction, (where sex normatively refers to the sexed body, and gender, to social identity) is demobilised both literally and legally

I've bookmarked and will read the rest later.

So they know that sex=XX/XY and gender=social construct and they're setting out to change that?

Equality Act 2010 provides effective statutory safeguards for all women, including trans women, as well as a range of other protected groups. It ensures trans people can access services that match their gender, except in restricted circumstances – allowing services to make sensitive case-by-case decisions.

This interpretation is questionable.

Re: exemptions it implies that blanket exemptions on the basis of sex can’t apply, and that there is no broad guidance on when those exemptions can apply.