Lib Dem’s definition of transphobia

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They are the gift that keeps on giving 😆 they will never be near national government again but they tend to go better in local elections so if you get/have a LD council

'Knowingly promoting the idea that gender dysphoria is a form of, or is caused by, mental illness...

...Advocating the withdrawal or defunding of access to transition-related medical treatment for trans people.'

So gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness or caused by mental illness, yet it is imperative that trans people access medical treatment.

If it's not a mental illness nor caused by a mental illness, then why on earth does anyone need to access treatment for it? Wouldn't it then be classed in a similar way to any other change of appearance, plastic surgery, etc?

That was really long. Why use ten words to explain something when you can use 1,000.

Also, it was a load of bollocks.

They seem to consider any meetings that are single sex- based - eg women’s meetings will have to include trans women “systematically excluding trans people from discussions about issues that directly affect them.” or be labelled trans phobic. And any attempt to properly assess children with gender dysphoria instead of merely affirming them on the path of artificial hormone and surgery will be transphobic - “advocating or facilitating any kind of therapy that tries to change a person’s gender identity”.
Of course the question then remains - given they have defined “transphobia”, what is their policy to those “guilty” of “transphobia”? Criminalisation?

This needs to be shared far and wide. It is beyond abhorrent and bizarre that a major political party has decided to shelve biological reality, to describe stating the truth as “hate speech”, and to abandon safeguarding for women and children. Long may this haunt them.

Didn5 understand a word of their policy. Like most of the rest of the country.

Just blah blah.

Did they have any policies on women tha5 they have spent months having anguish about at all ?

@ArabellaScott

'Knowingly promoting the idea that gender dysphoria is a form of, or is caused by, mental illness...

...Advocating the withdrawal or defunding of access to transition-related medical treatment for trans people.'

So gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness or caused by mental illness, yet it is imperative that trans people access medical treatment.

If it's not a mental illness nor caused by a mental illness, then why on earth does anyone need to access treatment for it? Wouldn't it then be classed in a similar way to any other change of appearance, plastic surgery, etc?

Or if you can’t distinguish the difference between trans and other people, do we have to provide procedures to everyone? Breast implants to anyone that wanted to appear more feminine.

I’m embarrassed to have ever voted Libdem. This is what happens when you only listen to one view. I bet they’re all patting themselves on the back about how right they’ve got this.

Biology just IS
What you wear is a choice
you should not be discriminated against because of what you wear
but Biology just IS

Gawd, the Lib Dems are such a fucking joke.

There are about three women murdered every week in the UK. Week in, week out. I can imagine what frothing the Lib Dems would do if there were three dead trans women in a year.

It's fucking disgusting. Women don't matter.

@SerenityNowwwww

My theory is that they are trying to tank the party.

Perhaps they want to crash and burn so they can just start again.

Certainly seems that way

I won’t vote for them, dh won’t either and they’ve obviously Wound ds1 up as well cos he didnt vote for them last time either...and he’s a member (until he gets his arse in gear and cancels)

Using phrases or language to describe trans people which are designed to suggest that trans people are a separate category of person from the gender they identify as or that their gender identity is not valid. Current examples include referring to a trans woman or non-binary person as a “biological man” or a trans man or non-binary person as a “biological woman”, which eradicates the trans person’s gender identity in favour of their biology at birth.

As others have pointed out, the above is a really bad idea if the trans person needs healthcare as in the article below, where a trans man nearly died due to kidney failure as his healthcare team thought he was a man and were interpreting his test results at men's levels:

www.bbc.com/future/article/20200814-why-our-medical-systems-are-ignoring-transgender-people

just to point out, their latest polling is 6% (not sure which poll and they all say something different) surely this might be an indicator of how much the electorate value the Lib Dem route to success

Or are they trying to lure the Momentum crowd from Labour. Whoopee, might even be able to vote labour again some day

I am so sad that a long established party has come to this

I wonder if Helen Belcher was crying on the toilet again this morning.

They haven't thought this through have they?

They have, they just don't care about women. Ed Davey said not long ago that he disagreed with women's concerns about men who identify as women and who still have full male genitalia being placed in women's prisons or having access to womens changing rooms. This is entirely in keeping with that. They think penises should be allowed anywhere they want to go.

The question is why do the LDs want to breakdown safeguarding in such a significant way and who is behind it. It's sinister as hell and I don't trust them.

Fortunately they are never going to see power.

They seem to consider any meetings that are single sex- based - eg women’s meetings will have to include trans women “systematically excluding trans people from discussions about issues that directly affect them.” or be labelled trans phobic.

The irony of course is that the LibDems are being transphobic here - as well as being utterly misogynistic not a surprise

If it’s a women’s meeting - then excluding transmen - other adult human females - on the basis that they are trans IS transphobic. This is excluding TM from issues - as adult human females - which directly affect them. The LibDems are ok with this.

Excluding transwomen is based on the fact that they are adult human males - exclusion is based on sex and not transgender status and TW don’t form part of the discussion about women’s issues as they are not affected by them. LibDems are not ok with this.

A bit like all women’s shortlists - TW allowed but TM not allowed - exclusion based on gender reassignment and therefore IS transphobic.

Gaslighting morons.

I will never vote for the LDs again.

@PronounssheRa

They haven't thought this through have they?

They have, they just don't care about women. Ed Davey said not long ago that he disagreed with women's concerns about men who identify as women and who still have full male genitalia being placed in women's prisons or having access to womens changing rooms. This is entirely in keeping with that. They think penises should be allowed anywhere they want to go.

The question is why do the LDs want to breakdown safeguarding in such a significant way and who is behind it. It's sinister as hell and I don't trust them.

Fortunately they are never going to see power.

Nothing particularly unusual about a politician not caring about women, but they also haven't noticed how their policies affect the people they are purporting to help.

If gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness, how do you fund treatment of people who experience it as a mental illness, even after transition? People are referred to GIDS because of gender dysphoria, but many don't transition - do these people not suffer from gender dysphoria? Is somebody who de-transitions immediately cured?

Its medically illiterate, incompetent and grossly irresponsible.

The document talks about 'allies', but really couldn't give a f**k about trans people who don't toe the party line.

systematically excluding trans people from discussions about issues that directly affect them

Presumably unless that trans person is called Debbie or Miranda, in which case cover their mouths quickly!

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet but there's an article in the Spectator about this: www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-lib-dems-transphobia-meltdown-is-complete

Nicely summed up by the first sentence:
The trouble with women is that they have opinions and not necessarily the correct ones.

I also like this:
The Liberal Democrats say their list of transphobic behaviours is ‘not exhaustive’. No doubt, but it is exhausting.

From the Spectator article, the Lib Dems copied the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of anti-Semitism.

That is wrong for reasons that go far beyond disagreement over changes to the the GRA. I think Ed Davey should issue an apology first thing on Monday morning. The definition of anti-semitism is not a cut and paste that can be applied to any group.

"Mindful of the long-standing trope about Jewish control of the media, the IHRA gives the following as an example of anti-Semitism:

‘Making mendacious, dehumanising, demonising, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.’

The Lib Dems give as an example of transphobia:

‘Making mendacious, dehumanising, demonising, or stereotypical allegations about trans people or their cisgender allies. This includes spreading the idea of a “trans conspiracy” which asserts undue influence over media or government or claiming that cisgender allies support trans rights initiatives out of fear or bribery rather than a genuine belief that trans rights are human rights.’"

Do they have a definition of misogyny/sexism?

I didn't notice they had ripped off the IHRA. That really is grim.

“Current examples include referring to a trans woman or non-binary person as a “biological man” or a trans man or non-binary person as a “biological woman”, which eradicates the trans person’s gender identity in favour of their biology at birth.“

= ... “which eradicates the trans person’s fantasy in favour of reality.” Shorter, clearer and correct.

= ... “which eradicates the trans person’s fantasy in favour of reality.” Shorter, clearer and correct

Love this

Misgendering = correctly sexing.

Misgendering = correctly sexing.

Which is important for the safety, dignity, privacy and equity of access of woman and girls.

And we know the LDs don’t care about that.

I do not get the obsession re midgendering and dead naming.

The Transwoman I know is very open about their original name, its part of her identity.
I'd never not call that person "her" - because she had surgery decades ago and most people would not guess quickly
but the fact that she used to be he is just a fact.