Lib Dem’s definition of transphobia

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They are the gift that keeps on giving 😆 they will never be near national government again but they tend to go better in local elections so if you get/have a LD council

They haven't thought this through have they?

Well, this is what they say:

"It has taken us some months and many different drafts"

I don't know how many months 'some' is. It's a shame we weren't one of the interested parties consulted in this. We have way more than 'some' months of discussion about these issues.

Could be a useful starting point for those that have a Lib Dem MP though... (if they still exist). Do they agree with their party's definition of transphobia?

@TorkTorkBam

Using phrases or language to describe trans people which are designed to suggest that trans people are a separate category of person from the gender they identify as or that their gender identity is not valid. Current examples include referring to a trans woman or non-binary person as a “biological man” or a trans man or non-binary person as a “biological woman”, which eradicates the trans person’s gender identity in favour of their biology at birth.

They have lost the plot.

Do they mean like the use of the word ‘trans’ or ‘transgender’ or describing any prejudice they may suffer as ‘transphobia’? All those words suggest they trans people are a separate category.

Using phrases or language to describe trans people which are designed to suggest that trans people are a separate category of person from the gender they identify as or that their gender identity is not valid. Current examples include referring to a trans woman or non-binary person as a “biological man” or a trans man or non-binary person as a “biological woman”, which eradicates the trans person’s gender identity in favour of their biology at birth.

Congratulations, LibDems, you've just declared both the Gender Recognition Act and the Equality Act to be transphobic.

Because protecting people who identify as trans on the basis of gender reassignment through both laws actually requires doing just that.

That wording means describing a transwoman as being a transwoman would be transphobic because the transwoman is being put into a separate category of person from women.

That wording means describing a transwoman as being a transwoman would be transphobic because the transwoman is being put into a separate category of person from women

They would then have to he reported as men amd women when they are victims of crimes or medical.mal.practice etc wouldnt that in fact render all the statistics tbey constantly bang on about transphobic and how will they get their points across?

@DickKerrLadies

They haven't thought this through have they?

Well, this is what they say:

"It has taken us some months and many different drafts"

I don't know how many months 'some' is. It's a shame we weren't one of the interested parties consulted in this. We have way more than 'some' months of discussion about these issues.

You don’t need to consult boring old biological women amirite?

There are LD members on twitter saying the wider membership wasn’t consulted

There are LD members on twitter saying the wider membership wasn’t consulted

It still has one? Maybe they forgot.

What tork said.

How are trans people going to fight for what they want if they are not allowed to describe themselves as trans as that puts them in a separate group.

They've shot themselves in the foot there haven't they.

This also makes safe medical treatment for people who identify as trans impossible.

How will you avoid harm to people who identify as trans and who in some circumstances need screening for sex-specific conditions if you cannot refer to that necessity? You can only avoid referring to them separately by targeting screening campaigns directly at them. And how will you identify the right audience for such targeted health campaigns?

It's interesting that most of us pulled the same section out,

Current examples include referring to a trans woman or non-binary person as a “biological man” or a trans man or non-binary person as a “biological woman”, which eradicates the trans person’s gender identity in favour of their biology at birth.

They are putting someone's feelings directly above facts.

The other bit I thought was self-contradictory was:

Knowingly promoting the idea that gender dysphoria is a form of, or is caused by, mental illness, which directly contradicts NHS guidance

How can believing yourself to actually be of the opposite sex despite the physical evidence of your body not be some kind of mental disorder? And I can't think of anything else which is not a disorder of some kind that requires surgery and hormone treatment.

Current examples include referring to a trans woman or non-binary person as a “biological man” or a trans man or non-binary person as a “biological woman”, which eradicates the trans person’s gender identity in favour of their biology at birth.

The great thing about Nick Clegg's approach was the belief that you didn't actually have to like the people you did business with, you just had to do business with them, and realise that incremental gains are gains, while grandstanding is just grandstanding.

The current obsession with correctness in the LibDems has actually always been there (I've been voting Liberal since '79, and I've seen it - and the history of the Liberal Party has some beautifully weird ideas in it, including the nationalisation of all land!), but its manifestations rarely last long because they are so damn illiberal - purity of doctrine is totally illiberal.

If they don't like "biological woman", I'd settle for "biologically female" as a compromise. How about that?

There are LD members on twitter saying the wider membership wasn’t consulted

What? Neither of them? Shamd

How can believing yourself to actually be of the opposite sex despite the physical evidence of your body not be some kind of mental disorder? And I can't think of anything else which is not a disorder of some kind that requires surgery and hormone treatment.

Well, quite. And the NHS page on the treatment of gender dysphoria heavily features psychological treatment as one option (especially for children, where it . Now of course that happens with other illnesses that may cause mental health issues, but I cannot think of any other issue but mental health ones where the only clinical specialists mentioned as members of a patient's team are those treating mental health issues. (See screenshot of the NHS page in question.)

That should read

(especially for children, where it heavily focuses on psychological treatment.)

@TorkTorkBam

Using phrases or language to describe trans people which are designed to suggest that trans people are a separate category of person from the gender they identify as or that their gender identity is not valid. Current examples include referring to a trans woman or non-binary person as a “biological man” or a trans man or non-binary person as a “biological woman”, which eradicates the trans person’s gender identity in favour of their biology at birth.

They have lost the plot.

What, so like trans man or trans woman then?

Trans people are not required to have undergone any medical or social transition to be considered trans. Other examples are set out in the Stonewall Glossary.

So - no difference between a trans and a non-trans person, then?

Yet a woman questioning the presence of a masculine-presenting, male-bodied person in a female-only space would be transphobic?

Please could someone explain the logic of this to me, because I really don't understand.

I hope they are on the tv and radio soon being quizzed hard on this.

Please could someone explain the logic of this to me, because I really don't understand.

You don't have to understand. Your role is to agree and apologise for any mistakes you make.

Please could someone explain the logic of this to me, because I really don't understand.

The Libdems have made a policy which reads like the rules of misogyny. I don't know why, maybe now they make policy purely based on focus groups where the only focus group was Twitter in 2019.

I have a theory:

The Lib Dems are still teamed up with the Torys. Their current task is to destroy the left from within.

@LotusRipple

Maybe now is the time to drop the word ‘liberal’ from their name.

And 'Democrat'

I have a LibDem MP so will write to them this week to object to this - thank youfor all the comments so far, they will help me to write something more persuasive than I could have done on my own.

My theory is that they are trying to tank the party.

Perhaps they want to crash and burn so they can just start again.

X & Y chromosomes. Everything else is cosmetic in a literal and metaphorical sense.