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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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DialSquare · 19/09/2020 13:38

I've been thinking about this a lot recently as I truly believe that the tide is turning and the world is waking up to this madness (extra thanks for the additional sunlight from Ben Button!). If it wasn't for the push back on this from some brilliant women, many of us would not be aware of the situation and gawd knows where we would be now (looking at some of the other countries with self ID for example). So I just want to say thank you to the wonderful women on here who spoke out early and at a great cost to many of them. You have enabled me to hold my head up high when the shit hits the fan and others will be denying they knew of the problems this would cause. Or were actively part of it.

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Flippin · 19/09/2020 13:40

I definitely became aware of the issue from this board. Thank you from me too!

ArabellaScott · 19/09/2020 13:41
Flowers

Thank you from me, too - to all the women here and the many who have passed through, posted, educated, informed and debated. You are a formidable and absolutely amazing bunch. If you were a political party, I'd vote for you in a heartbeat. x

DialSquare · 19/09/2020 13:48

@ArabellaScott

Flowers

Thank you from me, too - to all the women here and the many who have passed through, posted, educated, informed and debated. You are a formidable and absolutely amazing bunch. If you were a political party, I'd vote for you in a heartbeat. x

Me too. Like many of us, I'm politically homeless at the moment.
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CivilCervix · 19/09/2020 13:50

A big thank you from me too. I've been on and off the board for a few years (different names) and I'm always inspired by the intelligent, calm and authoritative takes on here. They've really helped me formulate my arguments in the real world and broadened my feminist reading list massively!

BoreOfWhabylon · 19/09/2020 14:23

I agree. I've learned so much from FWR over the years I've been (mostly) lurking and occasionally contributing.

Thanks is also due to @JustineMumsnet and @MNHQ for continuing to host the discussions when it would have been so much easier not to.

More guts than Millwall Flowers

aliasundercover · 19/09/2020 17:09

When I first became aware of some of the issues I didn't really know where to find out more.
I saw a comment in The Guardian - back in the days when it had comments - saying something like "Mumsnet is a cesspit of transphobia". That didn't seem likely, so I popped over to have a look.

Thanks to everyone who has spoken about these things. I've learned a lot.

Quietlyloud · 19/09/2020 18:19

I wish mumsnet would actually let us speak factually though. I don’t like how stilted or careful we have to be with our words. Always impressed by those who can explain well without getting deleted.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/09/2020 18:31

So I just want to say thank you to the wonderful women on here who spoke out early and at a great cost to many of them. You have enabled me to hold my head up high when the shit hits the fan and others will be denying they knew of the problems this would cause. Or were actively part of it.

Yes, I honestly don't think we would have made this ground without MN.

ThanksWine

DialSquare · 19/09/2020 18:40

@Quietlyloud

I wish mumsnet would actually let us speak factually though. I don’t like how stilted or careful we have to be with our words. Always impressed by those who can explain well without getting deleted.
Totally agree. I've been reading the threads for a few years but only posting a few months and I've already got a strike.
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TheFnozwhowasmirage · 19/09/2020 20:35

Good call. Thank you from me. I was a member long ago in the early 2000's,but drifted away after the heartbreak virus.
Thankfully,I'm self employed so don't have to answer to HR or attend diversity lectures,so the decimation of women's rights had passed me by,until I ventured into this board. Once you have seen what is going on,you can't unsee it, misogyny is everywhere.
You've given me the push to write to my MP,although it was a complete waste of time,she now knows that not everyone buys her 'be kind' genderwoo'. I'm educating my teenage daughters not to be taken in by lies and nonsense too. Thank you.Flowers

BewaretheIckabog · 19/09/2020 21:06

I’ve said it on here before as have many others.

I do think personal emails, letters and words of support to those women who are standing up are important.

Many who cannot speak openly in their working life are sending messages to Baroness Nicholson and JK Rowling privately. It’s a horrible 1984 dystopian world where many cannot express reasonable opinions or ask for nuanced debate.

A big thank you to all those speaking out.

FemaleAndLearning · 19/09/2020 21:11

Thank you. Amazing women on here.

moptophairshop · 19/09/2020 21:16

A massive thank you from me too, so glad I found this place Flowers

I still don't think I have much to contribute but I've learned so much from the amazing women here as well as all the brave women out there standing up and speaking out.

DialSquare · 19/09/2020 22:21

Good to see you posting again moptop. I think any contribution is good. I'm an uneducated thicko compared to most on here but if the lurkers see the likes of me posting, it may give them confidence to join in too.

BewaretheIckabog. I agree. I've written the the women standing up to thank them. I also wrote to my MP, talked to people around me and donated to the causes the whole time I lurked. I believe there's many of us doing bits like that to help. Even if some can't say much in real life. And it's all down the women on here.

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Cailleach1 · 19/09/2020 22:34
Flowers Yes. A big 'Thank You' from me too.
DialSquare · 19/09/2020 22:40

Sorry BewaretheIckabog. My last post comes across as a repeat of everything you said! I meant it as an "agree with what you are saying" post. Told you I was a thicko!

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TinaBarrow · 19/09/2020 22:45

And from me too

Akire · 19/09/2020 22:46

Me too, I don’t often post because I got told off once for misgendering. Which put me off totally in case I got banned and I rely on these boards a lot. Silly me hearing a mans voice on the radio but then calling them He. What was I thinking!!!

PapsofJura · 19/09/2020 22:50

Totally agree op. It was my dh who actually sparked my curiosity into this area as I had been in the “be kind” camp.

He was raging about women’s sport being taken over and I stumbled into this area having previously been put off by the very intelligent and over my head debates surrounding rad feminists, liberal feminist, etc. sending me scuttling back to style and beauty.

But I stayed, lurked and had my eyes well and truly opened, even writing to both Baroness Nicholson and JKR albeit not giving my full name.

I still lurk in the shadows applauding those brave enough to speak out publicly so thank you as I believe the tide is turning.

334bu · 19/09/2020 22:51

FlowersThank you Mumsnet. WineCheers all the erudite women of FWR.

youkiddingme · 19/09/2020 22:54

I hope you're right about the tide turning, though in rl I see more and more people supporting an agenda that worries me hugely. But this is the one place I can learn of things that most people seem to either have no idea about or refuse to listen to the possibility of more than one point of view on.

Thank you. Flowers

DialSquare · 19/09/2020 23:02

I really do believe it is youkiddingme. JKR's book wouldn't be number 1 in the charts if it wasn't. She has helped shine so much sunlight on this issue. I think it will seem like it isn't in some social circles but I think the majority of the population agree with us.

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RadandMad · 19/09/2020 23:04

Adding my thanks to all the brave women on here.

EyesOpening · 19/09/2020 23:22

I add my thanks too, for opening my eyes to what's going on, for all the links etc etc and letting me see things with my own eyes, not telling me what I can and can't look at!
And to JKR for shining the light
Wine

Mammatino · 19/09/2020 23:37

Yes thank you from me as well. I have had my eyes opened from here and gone from complete ignorance to doing my own little bits like writing to MPs, signing petitions and shining my own little light wherever I can. JKR is on radio two all this week doing tracks of my years, that wouldn’t have happened a few months ago. You’re right Dial the tide is turning.

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