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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Article in the Radio Times online

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BeanieSue · 28/08/2020 14:01

I've been a lurker for a long time - this is my second post ever. But I've just been so shocked by an article in the Radio Times with the title:

In light of the JK Rowling controversy, is it still OK to enjoy Strike: Lethal White?

www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020-08-28/strike-jk-rowling-trans-controversy/

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TheFleegleHasLanded · 28/08/2020 16:22

Compare and contrast:

www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020-08-28/strike-jk-rowling-trans-controversy/

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200828133435/www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020-08-28/strike-jk-rowling-trans-controversy/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200828133435/www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020-08-28/strike-jk-rowling-trans-controversy/

Datun · 28/08/2020 16:25

@yourhairiswinterfire

Unfortunately, as soon as people are given the actual article, the realisation that she has been the victim of a truly shocking, misogynistic witchhunt is swift and profound.

I like this picture for pointing out the stupidity. It's helpful to disprove people who haven't bothered to read a word she said, by using her own words from the article to debunk the transphobia claims.

(Sorry if a magnifying glass is needed to read the writing on the pic, I don't know if it will post clearly 😬)

That's really good yourhair.

It's a little blurred. I've tried to find it, but I can't. Where did you get it?

NotTerfNorCis · 28/08/2020 16:25

The new article is a lot shorter! The original also accused her of anti semitism and semi supporting slavery. Why is the Radio Times allowing such a biased, inflammatory hit piece?

SophocIestheFox · 28/08/2020 16:27

Do publications never think about running these pieces past legal and a good copy editor before they hit publish any more? 🤦🏼‍♀️

The frantic reverse ferret when they realise they’ve accidentally shit the bed with some heinous piece of potentially libellous content while they were focusing on boosting the unicorns and rainbows is just laughably amateur. It’s not the first time I’ve seen this.

yourhairiswinterfire · 28/08/2020 16:27

It's a little blurred. I've tried to find it, but I can't. Where did you get it?

It was posted on SaidIt a while back. I'll have a snoop through my history and see if I can find it.

Datun · 28/08/2020 16:27

It looks as though her legal team may have had a word.

Frankly, I would have a legal team devoted entirely to this sort of nonsense, if I was JK.

Every single time.

Datun · 28/08/2020 16:27

@yourhairiswinterfire

It's a little blurred. I've tried to find it, but I can't. Where did you get it?

It was posted on SaidIt a while back. I'll have a snoop through my history and see if I can find it.

Oh great, thanks.
andyoldlabour · 28/08/2020 16:35

That was Molly's first ever piece for Radio Times.
Will there be a second?????

twitter.com/molly_martian/status/1299305594302722048

yourhairiswinterfire · 28/08/2020 16:40

My bad Datun, it was posted on Ovarit.

Link to thread ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/797/the-7-reasons-j-k-rowling-is-transphobic-read-before-you-downvote.

You have to click the title of the thread to get the picture, and can zoom more clearly there 😊.

OhHolyJesus · 28/08/2020 16:41

Are the Radio Times actually telling their viewers that it may not be okay to watch one of their own programmes???

^^This
Whilst the person who wrote the article basically says yeah, go for your life, watch it if you must, the BBC would have commissioned this series and their own recent diversity report claims a higher than the national average of trans staff there, working in commissioning especially.

If there is a GC group in the BBC and if you are silenced and struggling with the particular cross you have to bear on a daily basis working there, I salute you and send more powers to your elbows.

Butterer · 28/08/2020 16:41

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AbsintheFriends · 28/08/2020 16:46

She cites women’s rights as the key motivator for voicing what she frames as “concerns around single sex spaces”, but what many trans people have interpreted as thinly veiled transphobia.

Because why on earth would a woman who has a long-standing and almost unparalleled reputation for integrity, intelligence and massive financial support of vulnerable people be interested in women's rights? Nah - definitely must be motivated by irrational hatred and bigotry. She's so transparent. All the years of philanthropy that saw her fall from the rich list due to her charitable donations were just a flimsy cover.

SoManyActivities · 28/08/2020 16:48

Shit, that was a pretty quick edit wasn't it?! The ratio on that RT tweet is pretty heartening - I wonder if Molly will be asked to write for them again?!

That screenshot with the 7 accusations against JKR is very good by the way.

Namechangetoavoidmra · 28/08/2020 16:51

The article is just BS from the beginning and helping further spread the lie that JK and GC feminists are "anti trans".
It states in the 2nd paragraph:
In the essay, ‘TERF Wars’, Rowling expresses her ardent opposition to allowing trans people to self-identify

This is so depressing as its being used to imply JK and GC feminists are against people assuming any damn gender they feel like. Because I for one am not against that, and I dont believe many of us are. All we want is that the few exemptions and carve outs in the Equality Act currently there to protect women by affording us our own spaces on the basis of biology are preserved. Yes, in those very few spaces - toilets, shelters, hospital wards, all women shortlists and scholarships (most of the latter having been largely lost thanks to wokism) - we wont accept self identification OF BIOLOGY. But in the 99.9% of the rest of your daily life: eat your heart out! Be whatever damn gender you want.

SheWhoMustNotBeHeard · 28/08/2020 16:53

Edited version now up. Obviously lawyers had a chat. Quite a change isn't it?

StatementKnickers · 28/08/2020 16:55

Thank you @TheFleegleHasLanded for the web archive link - I'm not sure how those work so am pasting the full original text below.

In light of the JK Rowling controversy, is it still OK to enjoy Strike: Lethal White?
For some, the uncoupling of art from the artist is far from an easy feat, says Molly Marsh.

BBC One detective drama Strike returns to our screens this week for a fourth series – an adaptation of the book Lethal White – but the recent controversy surrounding author JK Rowling, who penned the novels the show is based on, is likely to leave some viewers uncomfortable about the prospect of tuning in.

This year has been a tumultuous one for fans of the Harry Potter author, who has faced a backlash from the LGBT community since she published a controversial essay detailing her views on transgender rights back in June. In the essay, ‘TERF Wars’, Rowling expresses her ardent opposition to allowing trans people to self-identify. She cites women’s rights as the key motivator for voicing what she frames as “concerns around single sex spaces”, but what many trans people have interpreted as thinly veiled transphobia.

In the wake of the essay’s release, countless alumni of the Wizarding World, including actors Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, and Eddie Redmayne, released their own statements expressing their support for the trans community and distancing themselves from Rowling’s stance. But undeterred, she has continued to unapologetically rebroadcast her views on Twitter in the months following.

For me as a trans person, the media response to Rowling’s comments has been nothing short of exhausting. Spats between transgender people and wilfully ignorant bigots have been ubiquitous in the Twittersphere for years, but the enormity of Rowling’s fame has meant that the ‘debate’ she’s fostered has been picked up by mass media in an unprecedented way. This speaks to what is ultimately so troubling about the whole ordeal – thanks to Rowling, I’m now quizzed about the ‘trans debate’ by people in the real world, where previously I could reassure myself by believing that these pseudo-intellectual attacks on trans people existed only on Twitter, or only in columns by attention-seeking journalists. It feels disheartening to say the least that Rowling’s ill-informed diatribe will now be many people’s gateway into conversations about LGBT rights.

So what does this mean for our future enjoyment of Rowling’s output, from classics like the Harry Potter books to the upcoming fourth series of Strike?

For some, celebrating or just consuming the author’s work from now on is tantamount to endorsing her offensive views, but others disagree, instead abiding by a mantra of ‘separating the art from the artist’. It’s a phrase that’s brought up time and again when artists of all stripes commit moral transgressions and we are confronted with the difficult choice of whether to remain part of their audience. ‘Separating the art from the artist’ is a motto that takes that choice out of our hands – if we can treat a person and their output as entirely unconnected, then we can sit back and enjoy it guilt-free.

However, for some commentators, this uncoupling of artist from art is far from an easy feat. While it might seem simple enough, many have pointed out that narrow-mindedness and bigotry do not exist in a vacuum. In recent months, all manner of problematic elements have been highlighted in Rowling’s back catalogue, including her tendency to equate ugliness and fatness with evil, the anti-semitic stereotypes embodied by the goblins of Gringotts, and the Harry Potter series’ tepid engagement with the issue of chattel slavery. While these are all issues distinctly separate from transgender rights, it has been suggested that perhaps they are emblematic of a lack of interest on Rowling’s part in dismantling systems of oppression. It may well be possible to ‘separate the art from the artist’, but some critics convincingly argue that if you look hard enough, the artist’s ideology is always hidden in the text.

When contemplating whether to watch the upcoming series of Strike however, I think the question is a different one. While Rowling is the sole author of the Cormoran Strike books, the television series is an adaptation, written for the screen by Ben Richards (Series 1) and Tom Edge (Series 2-4). Rowling receives an executive producer credit, but aside from that has limited involvement in the project. Which begs the question: is it productive to boycott a TV series crafted by myriad actors, writers, directors, and producers, purely because of the hateful opinions of an author whose relationship with the final product is arguably quite distant?

There’s certainly a conversation to be had there. In a recent Radio Times interview, cast members Tom Burke and Holliday Grainger themselves weighed in on the issue. Both actors appear to be sitting on the fence, with Burke opining that “there is fear on both sides” and Grainger lamenting that social media doesn’t allow for “nuanced conversation” while heralding Rowling as “a massive influence”.

If you’re looking to me as a trans person to give watching the new series of Strike the OK, I say… go for it. Burke and Grainger turn in fantastic performances, and who am I to deprive you of some great telly in this most depressing of years. But I will add the proviso that if the TV industry was more interested in telling trans stories, and if we as the viewing public demanded trans stories more zealously, we probably wouldn’t be worrying so much about JK Rowling in the first place.

Strike: Lethal White begins on Sunday 30th August at 9pm on BBC One and continues at the same time on Monday 31st August – check out what else is on with our TV Guide

Datun · 28/08/2020 17:04

@yourhairiswinterfire

My bad Datun, it was posted on Ovarit.

Link to thread ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/797/the-7-reasons-j-k-rowling-is-transphobic-read-before-you-downvote.

You have to click the title of the thread to get the picture, and can zoom more clearly there 😊.

Thank you!
NotTerfNorCis · 28/08/2020 17:05

In recent months, all manner of problematic elements have been highlighted in Rowling’s back catalogue, including her tendency to equate ugliness and fatness with evil, the anti-semitic stereotypes embodied by the goblins of Gringotts, and the Harry Potter series’ tepid engagement with the issue of chattel slavery. While these are all issues distinctly separate from transgender rights, it has been suggested that perhaps they are emblematic of a lack of interest on Rowling’s part in dismantling systems of oppression. It may well be possible to ‘separate the art from the artist’, but some critics convincingly argue that if you look hard enough, the artist’s ideology is always hidden in the text.

Jesus H. It's like something out of North Korea or Soviet Russia. Thought crimes will not be tolerated. Ideas must remain pure.

Is the Radio Times going to scrutinise every artist, writer and performer for ideological impurity now?

TheFleegleHasLanded · 28/08/2020 17:18

Well one woman has made an amusing response Grin

"By Molly Marsh, with feedback from a pissed off woman...

BBC One detective drama Strike returns to our screens this week for a fourth series – an adaptation of the book Lethal White– but the recent controversy surrounding author JK Rowling, who penned the novels the show is based on, is likely to leave some viewers uncomfortable (Oh no it isn't.....) about the prospect of tuning in."

docs.google.com/document/d/1EoQb-NZxHe2Oc-PH5S49yN7EScyD44mp8XcFT4KQE54/edit?usp=sharing

highame · 28/08/2020 17:31

I wonder if Molly understands how important viewing figures are? It may well be that a mass of trans programmes would be very popular but it can't be guaranteed and the Beeb is a little short of cash

I also wonder if this was supposed to be a critique of the programme because it seems to be more of a self pitying whinge, only a few lines about the actors.

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 28/08/2020 17:38

The irony of Holly complaining about the real world.

SoManyActivities · 28/08/2020 17:42

Michel Jackson - allegedly raped young boys
Roman Polanski - raped young girls
JK Rowling - guilty of thought crime and not showing appropriate interest 'in dismantling systems of oppression'.

Who says women and men aren't held to the same standards eh? Hmm

SoManyActivities · 28/08/2020 17:46

The Ratio Times 😂

(Obviously I stole that from Twitter!)

AbsintheFriends · 28/08/2020 17:49

I still can't quite get my head around the Radio Times taking the editorial decision to publish a piece minimising JKR's involvement in the BBC's prime-time autumn drama, smearing her name and reputation, but patronisingly giving people 'permission' to watch it.

Burn the witch, but not so badly that we can't get our pound of flesh.

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