JK Rowling's has written another post

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calling once more for a more nuanced debate around gender identity and women's rights. It's here https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/statement-from-j-k-rowling-regarding-the-robert-f-kennedy-human-rights-ripple-of-hope-award/.

JKR

New to this debate are you?

Nope. But I don’t post much., and I definitely wouldn’t spam a thread like chicken little because the winds changed, it just seemed like that op who was archiving everything wanted a medal or something. No one cares honestly. I get the debate, just seemed that they were spamming.

@PublicServiceArse

New to this debate are you?

Nope. But I don’t post much., and I definitely wouldn’t spam a thread like chicken little because the winds changed, it just seemed like that op who was archiving everything wanted a medal or something. No one cares honestly. I get the debate, just seemed that they were spamming.

Ah, I'd assumed you were unaware of the habit of various organisations and people deleting/editing stuff and then claiming that they never said it or it never happens.

Eg Stonewall and "no one is seeking removal of single sex exemptions" 🤷‍♀️

I feel Like my mums just walked into the room to sort out the squabbles and give us all orange squash and penguins. Hurray JKR! You are fantastic!

Amazing bloody woman JKR.

KK is a perfect illustration that you can have wealth, education and privilege and still be as thick as.

I'm also pretty sure that her father & uncles knew what a woman was.

@turbonerd

Just a question on the side here: what on earth does CIS mean? Also Wonder when it was introduced as the thing you had to say? I have not followed this debate for very long, wish I had! Had the shock of my life when an autism-friendly group booted me out and called me a terf because I questioned this blind adherence to dogma and wanted to know what the trans fuss was all about if there is no such thing as sex. I worded it better, but there would be no need to be transexual if we were not made with sex chromosomes. That was a Bad Thing to ask, apparently

I’m sorry that happened, turbonerd. It’s a common experience for people with autism to fall foul of the language requirements in this debate - there are some women on this board who have articulated the issues with feeling you have to jump through hoops to,say the “right thing”, and how hard that can be. You’ve highlighted a fundamental issue: if sex doesn’t exist, then being trans can’t exist either. You got booted because there’s no answer to that in the dogma, so you just have to be shut up!

“Cis” is supposed to mean that you are not trans, effectively that you do “identify” with the sex you were born as. Personally, I am not cis and do not care to be referred to as such because I don’t “identify” as a woman- I just am one. Using it can get your post deleted round these parts, but hopefully neither of us have fallen foul of that today....

JKR is a rockstar of a woman. Thank you!

SophocIestheFox
Thank you.
Hehe, if I had any doubt I most likely am autistic then that was removed now! 😅
So the core of all this Word-salading is a refusal to accept basic biological facts.
Have never considered that I should identify as a woman, no. Gender stereotyping is rife when it comes to this, and that is one thing that still puzzles me in this discourse: what makes one identify as one gender or another (assuming that non-binary implies more than two) if it has nothing to do with sex or sexual characteristics. One transman used the example of mowing the lawn made him feel manly. Not that it was an inherently masculine thing to do, mind. But I do all sorts of «masculine» things. They are just chores or activities. The only thing I can do that my husband cannot is to become pregnant and give birth.
Also when people identify as queer. I have no idea what that means, is it just being human?

JKR - keep going, you’ve got so many people supporting you! Ignore the abuse; for all the abuse remember there is love for you also!

JKR, thank you.

Anyone else notice the change in language on the Radio 2 news bulletins at 10, 11, 12 where they said something like JKR had been criticized for "speaking out in support of women's rights"? By the 1pm bulletin, it was it was that JKR was "speaking about trans and gender issues". Nobbled from above or by lobbying?

The big pharma companies and George Soros, Jon Stryker et. al. have a lot to answer for. Profiteering by manipulating the masses. The funds that they bunged to various LGBT organisations were bribes. The whole shit show needs exposing.

mejon I haven’t heard any of the bulletins but that’s a much needed change in tone if so. I thought the BBC News article on it was uncharacteristically balanced too.

The Times now has an article on it - no comments so far (but it was only in the 5 pm update).

I see Kerry Kennedy is pushing the old discredited myth about high suicide rates.

the entire transgender community ... disproportionately suffers from violence, discrimination, harassment, and exclusion and, as a result, experiences high rates of suicide, suicide attempts, homelessness, and mental and bodily harm.

I realise that people in the USA may feel closer to the high levels of violence in South America but women are more often targeted than trans people. And where is the evidence for any of the rest, beyond the harms that stem from the sex trade which again has more female victims?

Do these people ever, ever bother to check a fact or do any research?

disproportionately suffers from violence, discrimination, harassment, and exclusion

Also it depends what they class as "violence", "discrimination", "harassment" and "exclusion". TRAs are keen to twist words til they lose all meaning and change definitions, and use these terms liberally to silence people. So KK could in fact be right on this point, but only because "literal violence" whenever anyone questions them.

Now I've discovered sex isn't binary, and also that a womb and cervix are not exclusive to females because men can have them too, I've announced to DP that he'll be the one getting pregnant next time, via my feminine sperm.

I’ve been forced to the unhappy conclusion that an ethical and medical scandal is brewing. I believe the time is coming when those organisations and individuals who have uncritically embraced fashionable dogma, and demonised those urging caution, will have to answer for the harm they’ve enabled.

I don't think there actually is a clash of rights tbh, this is purely the one-sided erosion of women's rights at the hands of a false narrative about the entire concept of trans, but other than that her statement is fantastic.

Share token for times article:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/038b2152-e946-11ea-9b25-18353d361fa2?shareToken=71ff6444240d0a3c5e4cbc83c2d6be10

Not rtft, but this is front page on the BBC and I think it's pretty sympathetic. By sympathetic I mean, it states the facts. Heartening.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53944773

The comments on The a Times article are fantastic - so many people saying ‘I agree with JKR’.

Also noticed a change in tone on Radio 2 news on this - said JKR was commenting on women’s rights vs making transphobic remarks.

Anyone else notice the change in language on the Radio 2 news bulletins at 10, 11, 12 where they said something like JKR had been criticized for "speaking out in support of women's rights"? By the 1pm bulletin, it was it was that JKR was "speaking about trans and gender issues". Nobbled from above or by lobbying?

6.30 R4 News summary stated trans and gender identity - kept repeating that it was to do with JKr’s ‘controversial’ views on trans issues. No
mention that these views are not controversial to 99% of the population and based on reality.

The word woman came up once when it referenced JKR’s tweet that only women menstruate. Hopefully that bit will prick listeners ears.

I do not trust the BBC at all.

Jo, if you see this, THANK YOU ❤

Just read the comments under the Times article and found them very moving to see so many standing with JKR. And most of them get that this is about women's rights not trans rights. It's such massive progress.

I just goes to show what a woman with power can do.

She’s so articulate and full of integrity. What an amazing woman. Courage calls to courage!