Has Mermaids removed a signs your child is trans page from its website

[PronounssheRa]

Looks like Mermaids are cleaning up the website to remove the claim that toy and clothing preference is a sign of being trans.

mobile.twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1296357164764798976

This now says of course' there's no connection between toys and 'transgender children'

Hm. I wonder what will be left if we remove the stereotypes of girl toys/boy toys and girl clothes/boy clothes? If kids were free to play with what they liked and wear what they liked, without fear or favour, would there be such a thing as gender dysphoria? I suspect if there was it would be a vanishingly small and rare phenomenon.

Just read their list of possible signs of GD. Very odd indeed. I wonder how on earth they came up with it? Evidence based?!

So why were jackie green's dolls all taken away?

Maybe they finally realised its bonkers. Shame the screen shots still exist. Ajd of course the wonderful slide screen shot she posted where adhd and /or autism were also apparently symptoms insinuating transition would cure it.

I'm yet to see a list of "symptoms" where 99 percent of them are normal child/teenage feelings

Aren't

I saw that earlier - an interesting thread. It did seem to cover pretty much every child in the country. Did they realise that they’ve cast the net a little too wide? I wonder what the list of indicators are now - how do you tell?

So why were jackie green's dolls all taken away?

Indeed. But screenshots and tedtalks tell their own story.

"Possibly dyslexic"

Did they realise that they’ve cast the net a little too wide? I wonder what the list of indicators are now - how do you tell?

Most shocking I think is the idea that puberty is distressing and optional. What happened to telling kids the fact its embarrassing and difficult is normal and teach them the tools to deal with it rather than promote distress like they do with self harm etc

The desperation to deprive these children of what is basically the cure fir dysphoria is very telling.

@PronounssheRa

So why were jackie green's dolls all taken away?

Indeed. But screenshots and tedtalks tell their own story.

So young children can't express themselves in words, but they understand the parental imposed gender connotations to various toys???

Looks like an Autistic child description. No wonder the correlation is enormous.

I wonder how many parents looked at that original list and decided there was something wrong with their child?

After all the BBC amongst others were until recently signposting to mermaids.

It's a fucking scandal

Girls are also under diagnosed with autism so it does stand to reason that girls without a dx as its not picked up as girls apparently mask better, that this list would seemingly fit and not he tied in with autusm

@ArabellaScott

Hm. I wonder what will be left if we remove the stereotypes of girl toys/boy toys and girl clothes/boy clothes? If kids were free to play with what they liked and wear what they liked, without fear or favour, would there be such a thing as gender dysphoria? I suspect if there was it would be a vanishingly small and rare phenomenon.

Bang on.

I have always believed that homophobic parents are big players in this utter nonsense.

Clothing and toy preferences are essential for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria in childhood

Signs and symptoms, as outlined by the DSM-5, include a marked incongruence between experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, of at least six months duration, as manifested by at least six of the following (one of which must be criterion A1)

A strong desire to be of the other gender or an insistence that one is the other gender

A strong preference for wearing clothes typical of the opposite gender

A strong preference for cross-gender roles in make-believe play or fantasy play

A strong preference for the toys, games or activities stereotypically used or engaged in by the other gender

A strong preference for playmates of the other gender

A strong rejection of toys, games and activities typical of one's assigned gender

A strong dislike of one's sexual anatomy

A strong desire for the physical sex characteristics that match one's experienced gender

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria_in_children#DSM-5_(2013)

[quote Thingybob]Clothing and toy preferences are essential for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria in childhood

Signs and symptoms, as outlined by the DSM-5, include a marked incongruence between experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, of at least six months duration, as manifested by at least six of the following (one of which must be criterion A1)

A strong desire to be of the other gender or an insistence that one is the other gender

A strong preference for wearing clothes typical of the opposite gender

A strong preference for cross-gender roles in make-believe play or fantasy play

A strong preference for the toys, games or activities stereotypically used or engaged in by the other gender

A strong preference for playmates of the other gender

A strong rejection of toys, games and activities typical of one's assigned gender

A strong dislike of one's sexual anatomy

A strong desire for the physical sex characteristics that match one's experienced gender

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria_in_children#DSM-5_(2013)[/quote]
Once, just once, I would like to see a list of what toys they are talking about. What activities and games they mean.

Because it would be bloody eye-opening.

Eg, what clothes, toys and activities, exactly, are boys only?

Once, just once, I would like to see a list of what toys they are talking about. What activities and games they mean

They never say because they probably know they would sound ridiculous.

On the occasions toys are mentioned its deliberately dolls because many men are openly embarrassed at the idea if their son playing with dolls . Its probably more relatable than having to say my kid wanted trolls monopoly where people would be a bit more confused about that having taken both their youngsters to see it at the cinema.

Ah. So Lego figures, then, and action man? Any teddy bears? Or are teddy bears gender neutral?

What a lot of silly old twaddle. I can't help but think of the survey recently linked to, about 34 percent of people in Scotland believing the sun 'sometimes goes round the earth'.

@Roswellconspiracy

Once, just once, I would like to see a list of what toys they are talking about. What activities and games they mean

They never say because they probably know they would sound ridiculous.

On the occasions toys are mentioned its deliberately dolls because many men are openly embarrassed at the idea if their son playing with dolls . Its probably more relatable than having to say my kid wanted trolls monopoly where people would be a bit more confused about that having taken both their youngsters to see it at the cinema.

Oh yes, they're much safer saying dolls, of course. Because of the rank sexism involved in the punching down aspect of girls' stuff.

But the sexism is blatant when you talk about boys' stuff. What stuff? Running? Kicking a ball? Climbing?

What is it?

The water gets a little muddied, of course, with action man, because they're dolls. And all the action figures, because they're dolls.

And when their kid picks up a toy spanner and starts trying to "unscrew" the car their dads amd mums will register they are being copied and go with it.

But if a boy picks up a doll and copies their parents feeding/holding/changing their baby sibling they loose the ability to see it for what it is.

Wonder who they're listening to? A few weeks ago Stonewall removed Mermaids but said it was technical and I think they re-instated. Is it possible that Stonewall are sensing the change and in order to maintain their links with Mermaids are asking them to do a bit of a reality check.

This is just another attack of Conspiracyitus but could be a connection.

The JKR stuff did an awful lot of damage and it takes time for changes

But then these strange contradictions are never seen are they.

Same way 2 year olds ask for vaginas amd know who they are when most of ours are eating the dog food and sleeping on the stairs. But teenage girls who don't want to be exposed to penises are being lead by parents as they can't possibly have come up with it on their own..

Oh my God that list is shocking. 'Possibly dyslexic' Its title alone 'How to guess if a child or teen has a gender identity disorder'. Guess is another word for a stab in the dark when you don't have enough information. Is something this serious really something that parents should be 'guessing'?
Given the very clear crossovers in the list with a number of conditions such as ASD I would expect that anyone presenting this information also has sufficient training in other conditions e.g. autism awareness. It would be nothing less than negligence to fail to highlight to parents some of the shared characteristics (like eye contact, hyper-focus on a hobby to name just a couple). This is especially relevant to girls who traditionally have been harder to diagnose given the coping mechanisms they may have developed to 'mask' the autism.
Did this list really ever go out to concerned parents? Who oversees their resources? Surely they must be accountable to someone.

And there's this....

So they don't stand by what they have said in the past, but the women who called it out at the time are still going to be castigated, arent they.

Given the amount of influence they have, this is pretty disgraceful.