Has Mermaids removed a signs your child is trans page from its website

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Looks like Mermaids are cleaning up the website to remove the claim that toy and clothing preference is a sign of being trans.

mobile.twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1296357164764798976

This now says of course' there's no connection between toys and 'transgender children'

Thanks. I ended up going to see all op's posts then go to see post in thread.

Datun re Once, just once, I would like to see a list of what toys they are talking about. What activities and games they mean.
Because it would be bloody eye-opening.
Eg, what clothes, toys and activities, exactly, are boys only?

I posted a wikihow titled “How to Determine if a Child is Transgender“, last edited December 2019 at time of posting, on thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3995444-My-child-is-transgender-or-count-the-number-of-stereotypes?msgid=99164975

I can’t work out who is advising who on this regressive gendered bunkum because the wiki and Mermaids are so similar. From the wiki re toys they do mention girls with trucks and boys with dolls, and post this helpful list

1. Look for signs along the way.

A child who is transgender will usually show many signs of their true gender. Their imaginary play usually suggests their gender, as well as how they want to dress and groom themselves. A child may be transgender if they show many of these signs:[3] Insisting on shopping in the girls/boys section Choosing a boy/girl name for themselves Preferring friends of the opposite sex (who have the child's desired gender) Making a fuss over haircuts Frequently pretending to be book or movie characters who share their desired gender Hating their genitals Looking up to older boys/girls and wanting to be just like them Begging for books or toys that say "for boys" or "for girls" Wanting to reincarnate as their true gender Crying over the sex they were assigned at birth[4] Being much happier when you let them do something related to the gender they want

From www.wikihow.com/Determine-if-a-Child-is-Transgender

@ItsLateHumpty

That's chilling. Perfectly normal preferences being used to diagnose what should be an exceptionally rare mental condition.

'Being much happier when you let them do something related to the gender they want'

Why not let them do whatever? This is about little kids FFS.

This is regressive sexist bullshit.

Wow that list..
it never stops shocking me how all this is just so obviously a load of sexist crap. It can only exist in a sexist culture. It needs sexism, misogyny and homophobia to nourish it like plants need sunlight and water to grow.

It’s like how you look back at historical superstitions, nonsense beliefs about how illnesses could be cured or avoided. You can see they are complete rubbish, often harmful, or at best pointlessly ineffective. And you think, these ludicrous beliefs would be really funny if they weren’t so horribly damaging to the people who had to live with them at the time.

This genderist belief system is so rooted in misogyny and homophobia, lesbophobia, hatred of (older) women, and of women saying no. It is built on tired regressive stereotypes jazzed up into apparently new and progressive politics. It is anti safeguarding and it tolerates and even encourages some very unsettling messages around consent- especially in the medical sense of consent. Medical interventions require consent that is informed and voluntary and the influence of family, friends and other significant relationships in the child’s life including in wider culture need to be explored as part of that consent discussion.

Children’s interests naturally reflect the child’s family dynamics and wider cultural influences like school or the tv. It’s no surprise to me at all that when I was young I wanted to look like and be like male superheroes and different men I saw on tv because men were shown more frequently, and in greater detail and more individualised variety, they were cooler and better and stronger and more effective at humaning than the female characters were. Funnily enough the women I knew in my real life weren’t having a great time. So of course I felt that way. Why wouldn’t I?

Now I can look back and see the sexist culture I lived in (and still do) very clearly and see its influence on me and those around me. Like a lot of women, I’m still doing the work of unpicking all that as an adult. I just feel very lucky that in my day nobody was trying to visit that sexist culture on my young body in this particular genderist way, although they did do that in lots of other ways of course. That’s why I feel so strongly about today’s kids, adults, and our public institutions being encouraged in these harmful political beliefs.

That list was compiled by someone who doesn't know children

Wow Roswell that list is pretty much standard teen behaviour at some point. I am not trying to minimize the seriousness of conditions like depression, but this does explain the massive increase in teenage girls presenting for reassignment treatment if these are taken as symptoms of dysphoria.

That Barbie to GI Joe thing is bloody ludicrous. How can anyone take this claptrap seriously?

Look for signs along the way

Any parent who wants to find signs will do with that list. Normal childhood behaviour and difficulties are pathologized and treated as 'abnormal'

@BovaryX

That Barbie to GI Joe thing is bloody ludicrous. How can anyone take this claptrap seriously?

I know can you imagine a group of teachers nodding along sagely while that slide was on screen.

18 yo DD came through and told me about this yesterday, her take on it was "so, just being a teenager means you're trans these days". We decided that I was a "bad mother" for not getting straight on the phone to Mermaids to ask them to clarify what gender she was when aged 5 she did ballet on a Saturday and rugby on a Sunday .

But more seriously, I'm delighted that there are teenage girls out there who see through the nonsense, and simultaneously desperately sad that they need to be careful who they speak to about it, for fear of being ostracised.

I don't think teachers have noticed that kids talk amongst themselves. At my grandsons school they have a MTF trans kid. They all just took it as Autism, thought no more about it, look out for their friend because of vulnerability but the Trans things is beyond them.

They had the talk and grandson said mostly eye rolling from the kids

Seriously?

I believe it's a certain phrase you used right at the end, Roswell. It's been banned.

Ffs...

There are certainly many anecdotes about children 'coming out' as trans, and it being celebrated.

GIRES, recommend a cake.

Schools should mark the transitioning of a transgender pupil with “celebratory” events such as marking the announcement of their new name with a cake, an expert has said.

Terry Reed, an activist for transsexual rights, said schools should make any gender change announcement “upbeat” to send a message from the outset that they fully support the transitioning pupil.

And, without seeming to connect to the two, talks about the 'huge explosion' of trans people coming forward.

Link from the TES.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.tes.com/news/schools-can-celebrate-transitioning-trans-pupil-cake%3Famp

I thought outing was a hate crime?

Which is it?

Clothing and toy preferences areessentialfor a diagnosis of gender dysphoria in childhood

If only the "let toys be toys" campaign hadn't been captured 😕

Signs and symptoms, as outlined by the DSM-5, include a marked incongruence between experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender is the DSM actually using the term assigned?

A strong preference for wearing clothes typical of the opposite gender

I prefer trousers 🤔

A strong preference for the toys, games or activities stereotypically used or engaged in by the other gender

I hated dolls. Loved toy cars and my toy zoo. And lego and meccano.

A strong preference for playmates of the other gender

Nah, kids don't differentiate. As an adult I really value male and female friendships.

A strong rejection of toys, games and activities typical of one's assigned gender

See aforesaid dislike of dolls.

A strong dislike of one's sexual anatomy

FFS these are children.

A strong desire for the physical sex characteristics that match one's experienced gender

As a child I thought a penis would be cool to have because it looked like peeing was more fun.

Thank fuck I was born in an era where toys were just toys and my parents could be certain I was a girl