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Audi drops not to subtle paedophile car advert!

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Knoxinbox · 05/08/2020 10:38

There is no way this was just badly thought through.... Hmm

I think this comment sums it up

“Let's add it up: Red=eroticism, sports car=substitute for potency, animal print mini-skirt=sex appeal, banana=phallic symbol. But sure this is all just accidental...”

Do you think this was someone testing the waters so to speak about how society might respond to something like this? I’ve read quite a few things on here about how the MRA has as its core aim to normalise paedophilia as just another sexual preference (eg minor attracted person) and this was what immediately jumped to my mind with this ad.

What do you think??

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Micah · 07/08/2020 13:13

Or this? Older admittedly.

Audi drops not to subtle paedophile car advert!
BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs · 07/08/2020 13:14

Thank you Sunrise.

I personally believe Audi is trying to appeal to women and fathers with young kids

Totally agree and I get that impression with all of the other pictures. With those I can see exactly what they're going for - fun, plenty of boot space, practical, but also something you can be proud to drive yourself without your family with you unlike some 'family cars' which are seen as boring.

Lone girl leaning on car below the height of visibility and eating a banana just really misses the mark for me. It seems out of place - nothing about it shouts 'family car', 'cool', 'safe', 'aspirational' or anything similar. Because it's so out of place I want to understand what it's doing there, and then you're back into my very long post above trying to understand the rationale!

But I can’t think that anyone would use appealing to peadophiles as a way to make money because at the end of the day that is all they want is to sell more cars to make more money. So surely out of all the people who had a hand in designing the advert someone would say hang on this looks sexual which could have an impact on our sales especially as our target audience is young families.

I don't think anyone is trying to say that the target audience was paedophiles and that they're trying to sell them the car too in order to make money. I think the point is that there is evidence more generally in society of attempts to normalise the sexualisation of children and the erosion of safeguarding boundaries, and that it's just as likely to be a person in power than the stereotypical creepy guy down the street you were warned about as a child.

It's the people in positions of power who should say 'no, that could be seen as inappropriate' that instead say 'sure, go right ahead' or that actively suggest something that could be seen as sexual to a paedophile. Making money is the job. If you can also normalise public perception of your own desires while you're doing your job then that's going to mean a lot more to you.

If they're in a position of power then they're less likely to be challenged full stop. If they're not, they can still rely on the 'of course I don't mean it like that, you're obviously a pervert' retort which we've seen on this thread. It's such a taboo subject that few people will want to put themselves under that spotlight in the work place. If the design or decision is subtle enough they can potentially slip it through under everyone's noses and get a secret thrill each time they see it. So where's the downside for them in trying? Even if it isn't actually intentional, if the subconscious desire is there it will certainly impact their decision making.

Over time, more and more images, articles, guidance etc slip through the cracks, and with that drip, drip, drip, it becomes more normalised in the public consciousness. That's what I'm worried about. That we aren't being robust enough with things that could be nefarious because we're so worried about wanting to give the benefit of the doubt, or concerned about being called perverted, inappropriate, or uptight for even thinking there could be something wrong with it, and that therefore we won't be able to stop more blatant attempts because by that point the Overton window will already have shifted. You have to try and think like the people you want to stop if you want any chance in understanding their actions and how to prevent them.

And yes, you'd think it would be picked up by at least someone. So either it was, and was encouraged (in which case, why?), it was and it was ignored (which is worrying), or it genuinely wasn't (which is baffling considering how easily so very many people can see it, or at least understand the potential for it). None of those are good options! If it was a small company I might have more sympathy, but a behemoth like Audi? The benefit of the doubt doesn't stretch that far for me. In my mind someone knew what they were doing, and either made an incredibly bad call and hopefully has learned a lot, or they are someone that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children.

bluebluezoo · 07/08/2020 13:16

Blue the shoot is a family, all hanging out. Playing guitar in the boot etc

Yep, so why use the image of the girl with a banana? Plenty of other, less provocative shots to use.

MarshaBradyo · 07/08/2020 13:18

If it was an advert a whole team would be involved.

As a SM post it can be one person with no client sign off.

It was a stupid move because whilst controls are lax for Twitter posts the outcome can be big. The person that posted it might be let go and find it hard to get another job. I’ve seen people go for less.

iklboo · 07/08/2020 13:32

@bluebluezoo - sorry I meant the argument that sports car = potency and therefore inappropriate. That's only one interpretation of it. And, yes, definitely could have just used the car. Other manufacturers manage.

MarshaBradyo · 07/08/2020 13:39

I reckon Audi has external agency doing SM and the one thing that agency has to do is manage the reputation. I wouldn’t be surprised if they lost the account and maybe others. Audi is very prestigious for an agency, probably spent years trying to get it, it won’t be a happy time.

SimonJT · 07/08/2020 13:41

@MephistophelesApprentice

Anyone who looked at that picture and thought it was in any way sexual has outed themselves as a paedophile.
This.

But a child standing in a blind spot of any car makes me nervous.

SorrelBlackbeak · 07/08/2020 14:08

An adult looking at that picture and not feeling slightly uncomfortable about the imagery has clearly never watched or read Lolita.

nauticant · 07/08/2020 14:08

More posters adding to the gaslighting I see.

I'm astonished at what's motivating posters to manipulate people here to suppress their misgivings. This is one of the creepiest things I've seen on MN.

MarshaBradyo · 07/08/2020 14:09

Nauticant who are you referring to?

nauticant · 07/08/2020 14:18

This kind of thing:

Anyone who looked at that picture and thought it was in any way sexual has outed themselves as a paedophile.

that has not only been posted but has met with approval, and then all the rest of the posts with a similar vibe.

Gurufloof · 07/08/2020 14:33

But I can’t think that anyone would use appealing to peadophiles as a way to make money because at the end of the day that is all they want is
to sell more cars to make more money

I honestly wonder at the obvious lapses in education now. Who said the advert was to sell cars to paedophiles? I mean I know there are way more pedos than was probably ever imagined, but still it's not the biggest market is it.
The advert is a way to break down barriers, to normalise seeing children sexualised. The end aim is obviously to gain access to more children for purposes, this is a small bit part in the whole.
Presumably some pedos will in fact buy the car but not necessarily because of the advert.
The end game from what I know is to lower or get rid of the age of consent. There are many many ways to help the end game along.
I actually cannot believe I'm telling a teacher this, do you ever do safeguarding training? Do you sleep through it all? These are childrens lives in your hands and you appear unable to see the bloody obvious.

Gurufloof · 07/08/2020 14:35

And breasted put it way better.

nauticant · 07/08/2020 14:39

And yes, BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs's posts have come across as a much needed application of disinfectant.

ptumbi · 07/08/2020 17:32

It's unbelievable that in this day and age, people, women, MOTHERS, are not seeing this. What would it take?

If this passes without comment, will the next one feature a small girl, lounging sexily (Like women have done for decades on bonnets to sell cars) maybe licking a dripping ice cream, lipsapart? Would that make you think 'fucking hell!'? Or would you just think 'children like Ice cream.'?

Mini skirt on a five yo next? Leather tiny shorts? Where will it end? Actually, I know where. Angry

Maybe we should be grateful to Audi for opening people's eyes. Pedo-apologists/minimisers/normalisers in plain sight.

ConcreteUnderpants · 07/08/2020 18:07

I think the slogan makes it creepy.
Without it, meh. With it, euugghhh

nauticant · 07/08/2020 18:23

That's how to analyse the advert: If you look at it in totality does it feel creepy?

Rather than to separate it into its individual components and then put each individual component into its own individual context where it can look innocuous.

Knoxinbox · 07/08/2020 20:38

@Micah

How are they supposed to advertise a car without showing a car?

Like this?:

Fucking hell
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Knoxinbox · 07/08/2020 20:43

BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs Yes! To everything you said. Yes.

I still can’t believe that poster are agreeing with the first reply who said that seeing anything dodgy with this advert just means that you yourself must be a paedophile. I mean it is such a hard of thinking ass-backwards viewpoint....! HmmConfused

I’ll say it again because I think it bares repeating....

Without the ability to “imagine” the nefarious motivations of child abusers and peadophiles and then act accordingly to minimise those risks there would be no such thing as child safeguarding.

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GingerBeverage · 07/08/2020 20:48

They literally sell cards about it. Some people are willfully naive.

Audi drops not to subtle paedophile car advert!
Boredbumhead · 07/08/2020 20:56

Yeah it's not a good look. I'm terrified the girls going to get knocked over for a start. It's weird and the slogan is weird in relation to the image. Something very off there.

Sunrise234 · 07/08/2020 21:21

This kind of thing:

Anyone who looked at that picture and thought it was in any way sexual has outed themselves as a paedophile.

that has not only been posted but has met with approval, and then all the rest of the posts with a similar vibe.

But then if you don’t find it sexual/provocative you’re labelled as sticking your fingers in your ears, trying to be cool, trying to please the peados, not doing your safeguarding training properly.

There are many people who cannot see anything sexual about the picture and some of these will believe if you feel it is sexual it is because you feel that way. Obviously that is not always the case but it is also not always the case that those that don’t believe it is sexual is because of the reasons above.

I’m annoyed that there are people questioning my training when my entire life revolves around children. My colleagues who have a more hands on safe guarding role also don’t see an issue but it is not because they are peado pleasers.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 07/08/2020 21:33

There are many people who cannot see anything sexual about the picture and some of these will believe if you feel it is sexual it is because you feel that way. Obviously that is not always the case but it is also not always the case that those that don’t believe it is sexual is because of the reasons above

And vice versa as youve said

People NOT seeing the issue with it might honestly not be seeing it or could be deflecting

But personally, bearing in mind some police officers for example are trained in this and can spot stuff and victims maybe able to spot stuff and people who work with victims may be able to spot stuff, i think its really stupid to say that anyone spotting the ‘danger’ in adverts is a paedophile

Really stupid, like those who don’t spot racism and then say to people who think something is racist that the only reason they’ve seen the racism is because they are racist

bluebluezoo · 07/08/2020 21:33

Micah
How are they supposed to advertise a car without showing a car?

Like this?:

@Knoxinbox Fucking hell*

Just went back and looked properly. Fucking hell is right. And she looks about 14z. Who says sex and children aren’t used to sell cars. As for her not being anyone’s first, even fuckinger hell.

nauticant · 07/08/2020 21:34

Right. So you think that it's OK to shut down people expressing their concerns over a very dodgy advert by ssying they've "outed themselves as a paedophile".

Looking at your my entire life revolves around children I think that perhaps you might need to consider a career change.

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