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The Guardian does it again: trans, gender, and sexism.

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Bmidreams · 20/07/2020 07:16

I forgot how to cry as a man. HRT gave me a range of emotions I never thought possible

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jul/20/i-forgot-how-to-cry-as-a-man-hrt-gave-me-a-range-of-emotions-i-never-thought-possible?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Are they doing it on purpose??

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Goosefoot · 20/07/2020 13:27

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ThatsHowWeRowl · 20/07/2020 13:30

I really hate the idea that female hormones reduced his sex drive as well. It plays into that misogynistic notion that women, not having testosterone, don't have any sex drive and neither want or need sex and therefore don't enjoy it.

Yes, I thought this too. It's such a crappy stereotype about women, that sex is just something we endure and never really enjoy ourselves and we would all rather just have a cuddle in front of Netflix.

RoyalCorgi · 20/07/2020 13:34

If I had been told twenty years ago that sexist stereotyping will be supported by left-wing papers in 2020 I would not have believed it.

Same here, nepeta. Back in the 1970s and 80s, the Guardian was all about rejecting regressive sex stereotypes. This article, with its nonsense about women crying and having a lower sex drive, feels like something that could have been written for one of those magazines aimed at women in the 1950s. It's as if they think that adding the magic trans dust to a bunch of reactionary ideas somehow makes them progressive.

What the hell is wrong with the Guardian?

kateybeth79 · 20/07/2020 13:35

Having depression numbed my emotions. I guess that means depression is also a male trait......

TinselAngel · 20/07/2020 13:36

Today is not going to be the day I click on something entitled "my bum hole".

contactusdeletus · 20/07/2020 13:45

@BaronessWrongCrowd

I wonder why the change of tack.

Loss of subscribers/readers. They've had their begging bowls out. Jobs are being lost.

I think they are starting to realise that by backing the TRA's they backed the wrong horse.

Turns out that people, especially women, don't like being told how they should define themselves. So they have shifted their spending elsewhere. Who would have thought this would happen... oh... Wink

This.

I spent quite a long time thinking I was the only one who felt this way about The Guardian. But the recent pay cuts thread on here opened my eyes to how many women felt the same way - and how many had, like me, cancelled their subscriptions or stopped buying the paper in silent protest.

Thing is, The Guardian have been so terrible about this issue for so long now, that I'm not sure the occasional common sense article is enough to claw back women's trust in them. It's not as if they're making any attempt to apologize either. There has been no "we understand we handled this poorly and we must do better" statement. No series of articles accurately representing women's concerns. And no change to their style guide, so that situations like the J.K Rowling one can't be classed as her being "against trans rights" (which she blatantly isn't). Refer to it as a "women's rights" issue or as both a woman's and trans rights issue, but stop erasing and misrepresenting one side of the argument. It's not that hard to do.

If The Guardian really wants to win back women, these are some basic steps they could take to show good faith.

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 20/07/2020 13:53

What an absolute load of contrived, sentimental cockcustard!

HRT sorts you out? Yeah, coke or heroin may do the same for me but, you know what I'll pass.

When is this shit gonna stop? Angry

peadarm · 20/07/2020 13:53

@Xanthangum

The Observer's Science Editor, Robin Mickie missed a trick in his piece yesterday:

Like other fat old men I felt especially threatened by the arrival of Covid-19. This is a disease that penalises those who are male, who are overweight and who are getting on in years, after all.

And like many others, I became anxious when lockdown was imposed. Yes, I was stuck with being male and old – but my obesity? Well, maybe that was something I could change.

Read that yesterday without noticing its hurtful 'transphobia'!

A letter complaining may already be doing the rounds among GMG staff...

Floisme · 20/07/2020 13:54

I have to hand it to The Guardian, every time I think they can't disappoint me any further they manage to surpass themselves.

It's like having an ex whom you keep thinking you're over but then you hear something else that makes you go Shock

I wonder what Jill Tweedie would make of them now.

WeeBisom · 20/07/2020 14:02

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NearlyGranny · 20/07/2020 15:58

This one needs the oxygen of publicity cutting right off.

Goosefoot · 20/07/2020 16:24

I keep wondering, when is the penny going to drop for the people at the Guardian? Surely it must be now. Or now. Or now.

Bmidreams · 20/07/2020 16:43

A part of me thinks this article is anti trans, as it's so so ridiculous, and the picture is so gross (tongue sticking out). It's completely highlighting the plain ridiculousness. Especially adding in the tampons up the arse element. It's making a mockery of transwomen and not women?? Maybe??

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ShinyFootball · 20/07/2020 17:04

Summary:

Boys don't cry
Sex is for men

Awesome.

Scott72 · 20/07/2020 17:10

I'm not reading that article, but I thought it was generally accepted that women have, on average, a sex drive which works differently from men, due in part to hormones. More contentious is the idea that women, again on average, experience emotions a bit differently from men, again in part due to hormones. I've read other accounts how men taking female hormones find it easier to cry, or reverse for women taking male hormones.

MsPants · 20/07/2020 17:22

I'm really sad about how blatantly homophobic this is. The Guardian was always supportive of the gay community, and they're now promoting this person who is quite open about claiming womanhood because being gay is so completely unbearable. What a time to be alive.

YourVagesty · 20/07/2020 17:32

One moment I was laughing, the next I was bawling. Then I was laughing about crying, and crying because I was laughing about it.

Well yes, that's exactly what my daily life is. Hard to get work done what with all the cycles of bawling and screaming with hysteria.

To feel that range of emotions was something I never thought would be possible, and yet it’s now a monthly occurrence.

Genuine question - why is this a monthly occurrence? Are the drugs administered monthly or is this an allusion to menstruation?

NearlyGranny · 20/07/2020 18:16

A quick glance at Cadance's Twitter shows delight in trying to 'trigger' 'conservatives' so, yeah, back row of the classroom stuff really. A sort of trans shock jock without a proper platform. Nothing the Guardian prints now surprises me, except perhaps the rational rugby story!

YourVagesty · 20/07/2020 18:20

The cognitive dissonance over at Guardian HQ is quite something. They can't join the dots at all between the quality of their content and their dwindling fortunes.

KarenKarendson · 20/07/2020 18:21

its great that boys feel comfortable wearing make up but its not a new thing!

Absolutely. Many of my male friends back in the 80s and 90s wore make up /skirts and dresses. They looked great. The big difference is they knew they were men. They didn't need or want to stamp all over women's rights and safety to express themselves.

ShinyFootball · 20/07/2020 18:21

Does trigger conservatives = irritate women now then?

Melroses · 20/07/2020 18:22

I read this persons previous publication (a bit too late at night Shock ) and really, The Guardian will publish anything that maintains their agenda, with their eyes closed.

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Melroses · 20/07/2020 18:25

@TheProdigalKittensReturn

No wonder the guardian is fucked posting crap like that.

The internet is, unfortunately, full of stuff like that. Why would anyone pay The Guardian for it?

Quite right - all the crap and click bait you could ever want, for free, on the internet.

People want proper journalism if they are going to pay.

ShinyFootball · 20/07/2020 18:25

Maybe read the article Scott before deciding to agree with the author!