Posie Parker at Speaker's Corner earlier today

[SunsetBeetch]

Enjoy. Ovaries of steel, this woman.

her reinforcing of gender sterotyping does not help the feminist cause trying to pigeon hole us back to sub servience.

How do you get from the understanding that we are all male or female pigeon hole me back into subservience? Please explain the steps I will be expected to go through to become subservient as a result of knowing that I am female and expecting only other females in my gym changing room? Will the female changing room take in ironing from the male changing room and we all have to press half a dozen pairs of trousers on the way out?

@Cleanandpress

her reinforcing of gender sterotyping does not help the feminist cause trying to pigeon hole us back to sub servience.

How do you get from the understanding that we are all male or female pigeon hole me back into subservience? Please explain the steps I will be expected to go through to become subservient as a result of knowing that I am female and expecting only other females in my gym changing room? Will the female changing room take in ironing from the male changing room and we all have to press half a dozen pairs of trousers on the way out?

Not my definition of equality, but if Stepford subservience works for you, it's a free world.

I prefer inclusive feminism, that is progressive, not regressive.

I'm asking you what the subservience you have insisted is the inevitable outcome I want I am going to experience? What is it? Come on, you are adamant it's going to happen so what does happen in single sex hospital wards that is subservient? Surely you can explain? It is the central point of your objection so there must be plenty of illustrations you can give us all?
What happens in female gym changing rooms that is subservient when single sex?

Details please?

Load of rubbish being spouted in the last few posts. But here we go

Posie has said she is NOT a feminist. So no she doesn't represent feminism in any way.

Calling Posie subservient and a Stepford Wife is very revealing...about you. Please show me where Posie has ever said that that's what women should be like. In the video today she actually says she knows she is stereotypically feminine, but she wants to celebrate the young women she sees who fall in the middle of breast binding at one extreme and wearing high heels and tight dresses at the other.

Here's the video of Posie talking to BLM. It got heated on both sides, certainly. But the aggression and swearing came from BLM. I've never seen her tell those women that they should care about women's rights more than racism...is there another video where she does this, please?

I agree with thr American lady who spoke today (didn't catch her name sorry) that there is room for different people: the rabble-rousers and the more quiet, conciliatory people. I don't feel the need to agree with every single thing a person says or does: that feels very restrictive.

Posie is openly not a feminist or gender critical. Shes just anti trans and pals up with the conservative religious right in america. Supported Trump, voted tory etc. Has made several fairly racist comments.
As much as she makes some good points at times, and i appreciate how vocal she has been at her own expense, I just cant get behind her. I used to think she was brilliant but so many GC RFs have moved to the right and have become so single issue that it makes me feel a bit sick. I had to unfollow loads of GC stuff because of it and become much less involved.
For everyone that she introduces to this cause, she puts another one off.

For everyone that she introduces to this cause, she puts another one off.

So people are put off single sex hospital wards?

Shes just anti trans

Ah here we go again.

She's anti-Self ID, against the removal or language to describe women (hence her successful campaign) and is pro-women and girls.

The wilful misrepresentation is getting a bit boring tbh.

Posie is cool. It takes all kinds of abilities and styles in any kind of campaigning. She's come up with some great ideas and tends to speak her mind, so naturally that isn't going to gel well with everyone. She's a strong personality and that's going to clash with other prominent women who have strong personalities too.

She's been clear that she's not a feminist. The vast majority of women in the UK don't consider themselves to be feminist either. People always seem to forget this crucial fact.

It's good to see women from all backgrounds and viewpoints do what they can to protect women's rights. She cares enough to get off her arse and do something about it, and she's in a position to be able to be open about her activities along with a thick skin against the flak.

Any news from Mishy on how single sex changing rooms make women subservient?

Nothing? I thought you could explain easily as you are so certain?

Mishy Please define “inclusive feminism”. Does it include men?

It's interesting that some people want to portray Posie as 'subservient' and a 'Stepford wife'. I'm going to assume this is based largely on her appearance because it certainly isn't her personality.

I'm also going to assume her husband does his bit looking after the kids/household whilst she's busy organising protests, getting arrested, travelling the country (and abroad) as well as running her org. Not very Stepford wifey to my mind - she must miss a lot of supper times!

I accept her way of doing things doesn't appeal to everyone but campaigning against the loss of women's language, women's spaces and harms done to children covers a very broad demographic.

People we don't like and disagree with on other political matters have the right to a) know about and b) be pissed off with this stuff just as much as people who are staunchly left leaning or who prefer the politer approach of someone like Prof Stock. As noted above she will reach an audience that others don't.

She has flaws as anyone does but I admire her directness and refusal to used proscribed or 'acceptable' language and framing. After all that's a big part of why women are in the mess we're in. I used to be more critical of her myself a few years back but I'm well beyond giving a stuff about always being 'nice' these days.

Not my definition of equality, but if Stepford subservience works for you, it's a free world

Posie never looks, or sounds, at all subservient to me.

It's interesting that some people want to portray Posie as 'subservient' and a 'Stepford wife'. I'm going to assume this is based largely on her appearance because it certainly isn't her personality

Yes, she dresses and presents as she pleases, clearly. Quite a strong look. She knows what she likes.

Just watching that video of the confrontation between Posie and the BLM crowd. It seems that the main women confronting Posie had no idea about the impact of transwomen and girls on women's sports in the U.S,A.

Posies great. All the haters here who can't bear the fact she stands for women. And more and more people listening every day. That house of cards is tumbling down. With the bitter wailing of the activists who know that their dreams of destroying women's rights are over.

Not my definition of equality, but if Stepford subservience works for you, it's a free world.

Ah, it's the hair again, isn't it. It's absolutely amazing how a spot of peroxide really gets under the skin of some people. Who knew?

And, er yeah, obvs, that's exactly what I always think when I look at Posie, hear her speak, watch her put up her posters, and listen to her interviews. I especially thought it when she was on the telly with Adrian Harrop. Ooh, that's the very definition of subservience, right there, I thought.

Harrop demanded her subservience in that exchange on Sky, telling her she can't "appropriate" the word woman.

What a stereotype man he is.

Harrop made an absolute fool of himself. Where is Harrop now I wonder.

@Erikrie

Harrop made an absolute fool of himself. Where is Harrop now I wonder.

I expect he’s been removed from one type of register and placed onto another one entirely.

I expect he’s been removed from one type of register and placed onto another one entirely.

Without a doubt

Are we talking about the same Posie here, being a Stepford wife...the one who says she doesn't cook (her husband does), doesn't clean, runs her own grassroots campaign, produces merchandise and runs a you tube channel, amongst other things?

I guess the definition of Stepford Wife must have changed since the invention of the term.

I remember Datun observing once how Posie's appearance might be stereotypically feminine but her demeanour is anything but. That interview with Harrop for example - I'm sure most of us would have smiled at some point, even as a reflex, because the urge to be nice and to be liked is so strong. I think it's why Posie's opponents flail around so badly, trying to pigeon hole her, trying to land a blow but always missing.

Posie is great.

I don't need purity in my politics.

The funny bit is that SAHMs can talk about this topic without getting fired.The academics and corporates are walking on eggshells. Who is really under a thumb?

Furthermore, parental abdication of duties has led to a generation turning to the internet for education and validation.

How do you get from the understanding that we are all male or female pigeon hole me back into subservience?

A question for the ages.