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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Posie Parker at Speaker's Corner earlier today

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SunsetBeetch · 19/07/2020 17:32

Enjoy. Ovaries of steel, this woman.

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Erikrie · 24/05/2021 17:40

She's not a racist. But slurring and lying about people for your own gains clearly comes easily to you.

Delphinium20 · 24/05/2021 17:42

@Zinco

She didn't say it was stolen...

That's the exact word she used in the video I gave.

mea culpa - I used inaccurate phrasing.

What I should have said is, Hillary didn't think it was an incorrect vote count...she said that he used dirty tactics to suppress voter turnout and votes being cast. She does not think that there was widespread election fraud from electors...which is different than election suppression.

Trump and his supporters are arguing there is widespread election fraud.

Erikrie · 24/05/2021 17:42

And really, who cares about her politics. It's not as if Biden is any better is it. He's far more dangerous than Trump ever was.

astery · 24/05/2021 17:43

Biden is more dangerous than TRump!
Oh my Lord!!

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 24/05/2021 17:44

Some people really seem to struggle with the idea of agreeing with a person on somethings and disagreeing on others

It’s either unequivocal repudiation or unqualified approval in their world apparently

astery · 24/05/2021 17:46

No one is saying you have to agree on everything another person says. But simply agreeing on one issue is not enough.
Hitler was a committed animal rights advocate and Germany at the time had for the time radical laws on protecting animals. So would you have supported him over this single issue?

Sophoclesthefox · 24/05/2021 17:48

[quote astery]@Sophoclesthefox you really think it is okay to support a racist because you agree with her on one issue?
Bloody hell.[/quote]
Don’t be silly.

Delphinium20 · 24/05/2021 17:50

@Erikrie

And really, who cares about her politics. It's not as if Biden is any better is it. He's far more dangerous than Trump ever was.
Oh dear no!

I have no cause to call Posie names and I wish her well, but Biden is not worse than Trump...not in any meaningful way.

Trump has no ideology or policy stance except self-promotion and preservation. He chummed up to whoever gave him adulation- including dictators, grifters and convicted criminals.

Erikrie · 24/05/2021 17:56

Biden is not worse than Trump...not in any meaningful way.

I don't agree. I'm not a trump supporter or a Biden supporter. But I think Biden is far worse. I think he's extremely dangerous. It really is fine to disagree on this though. 🤷

Delphinium20 · 24/05/2021 18:03

@Erikrie

Biden is not worse than Trump...not in any meaningful way.

I don't agree. I'm not a trump supporter or a Biden supporter. But I think Biden is far worse. I think he's extremely dangerous. It really is fine to disagree on this though. 🤷

I'm sure we could have a lively discussion on this! Maybe a different thread...
Cleanandpress · 24/05/2021 18:07

More offensive Hitler analogies. Have you got nothing to say that doesn't involve stupid smears astery? That's actually a rhetorical question because if you had anything even vaguely relevant to say you could have said it by now. You are rapidly becoming a poster on the skip over list.

Erikrie · 24/05/2021 18:08

I'm sure we could have a lively discussion on this! Maybe a different thread

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 24/05/2021 18:27

Regarding "white feminism"...

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When I was in grad school, I got into a heated debate with a classmate who insisted that “white feminism” was a serious problem in the women’s movement. The man (who was white and from the United States) argued that, “white feminism” meant that the women’s movement had centered the lives and experiences of only a select few — privileged white women in the US who traveled mainly in academic circles — “for most of its history.”

I told him I thought the term functioned as a tool to dismiss second wave feminists, glorify the (very problematic) third wave, and encourage infighting among feminists, creating divisions in a movement where collective struggle is crucial. His claim was at odds with the grassroots movement I’d grown up with in the Dominican Republic, which was obviously not led by women in the US (and certainly not by upper-class white women or academics). There are legitimate problems within feminism in my home country, particularly around class difference, but there is far more solidarity than animosity, and Dominican feminism has been consistent in addressing the struggles of rural, working class, and immigrant women.

Notably, during my time as an immigrant in the US, most of the people who complained to me about what they called “white feminism” were white themselves. I felt tokenized; like they wanted me, as a Dominican woman of colour, to validate them and their feminism. I became suspicious of all white people who used the term. Criticizing “white feminism” seemed to be a way for white people to present themselves asdifferent, betterwhite people — as cool, “intersectional” feminists who just happen to be white.

Now that I am back in the Dominican Republic doing shelter work, I believe my friend from grad school was right about one thing: white feminism is real. It is epitomized by gender identity ideology.

The current trend among third wavers, as well as among progressives, is to argue that we can ignore whether people were born male or female and insteaduse language like“genderfluid,” “multi-gender,” or “genderqueer.” But there’s a massive gap between this language — popularized within Gender Studies classrooms in the West — and the realities of marginalized women in countries like mine.

I’ve been thinking about what gender identity means in the context of the Global South. What does gender identity mean for women and girls who look like me? What does it mean for Dominican women and girls who are marginalized not just by sex, but by poverty, race, and xenophobia?

Recently, the Dominican Republic has been debating whether or not tooutlawchild marriage. The country hasthe highest rateof child marriage in the Latin American and Caribbean region. According to a2014 survey, 37 per cent of women who are between 20 and 49 years old got married (or became common law partners) before they were 18. The survey also shows that one in five girls between 15 and 19 are in a relationship with a man who is at least 10 years their senior. There is a strong correlation between child marriage and teen pregnancy, which can result indangerous health complicationsfor girls, like blood poisoning, obstructed labour, andhigh blood pressure. Indeed, teen pregnancy is thenumber one cause of deathfor teen girls worldwide. This is particularly worrisome because the Dominican Republic prohibitsall abortion, even in the cases when the mother’s life is in danger.

Continues: dgrnewsservice.org/civilization/patriarchy/gender/white-feminism-thing-gender-identity-ideology-epitomizes/

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 24/05/2021 19:09

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

Some people really seem to struggle with the idea of agreeing with a person on somethings and disagreeing on others

It’s either unequivocal repudiation or unqualified approval in their world apparently

This, with clanging bells on.
Justhadathought · 24/05/2021 19:23

I dont think Posie is anti abortion, but the reblican religious right in america that she was quite close to (for tactical reasons) are, and caroline Farrow, that I kept seeing on a lot of her stuff

I think we are moving away from narrow party political or ideological loyalties to people who coalesce around certain issues. Ironically this comes at a time when rigid ideological purity along with group identity politics are in the ascendant too.

Even then , most political parties have always been broad churches of people and representatives, with quite varying background, experience and viewpoint. At the end of any day, we are all alone with our own integrity and moral priorities, which should never be sacrificed to group conformity or think.

Justhadathought · 24/05/2021 19:28

oh well shrugs if youve both been called trump supporters, then you probably arent going to see that sort of thing as particularly negative are you

For goodness sake, anyone who has ever disagreed with any left/progressive shibboleth has been called a Trump supporter, even if they're British.

Take a look at Owen Jones's current twitter feed to see the bile and accusation poured out on David Aaronovitch, simply for pointing out his evasions and avoidances. ( on the issue of Stonewall and women's rights)

Floisme · 24/05/2021 19:37

Ever since I was at the sharp end of a 'Trump supporter' call on here, I've watched how it works, and how it's used to shut you up. It shut me up for a while and I'm no-one - it doesn't matter. But when it's used to shut up women who are fighting for our rights then it does matter. And when the people who do it turn to bluster and go on the offensive when they're asked - quite reasonably - for some for evidence, well then ..... I will keep my precise thoughts to myself but I am not impressed.

NiceGerbil · 24/05/2021 19:43

God is this still going?

I was on here with her for ages before she was banned.

She is not the 'darling of radfems' or whatever was said. Everyone just to argue with her like mad.

She has explicitly stated she is not a feminist since I've been aware of her- on fwr she was seen as a tenacious person who was there to disagree with us. Over and over and over and running into massive long posts.

Where is this stuff coming from?

She's a woman who is not American (so why this focus on USA?!!) we are a totally different country and culture.

She is very very good at getting publicity around her personal view that it's not good for women and girls to lose their rights and words.

And that's it.

The constant stuff about supporting her etc. Is to get women to go oh noes she's a baddy that makes me s baddy. Won't work because I don't feel my entire politicial ethos s thrown into question by thinking ooh that's a good poster.

Fgs.

If she was found to enjoy eating live bunny rabbits in her spare time it would still be a good poster.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 24/05/2021 19:49

I find it very weird when British people call other British people "trump supporters". I mean, literally, how?

We're not American voters, so it can't be that kind of support. The chances any random British person on the internet donates to Trump's election campaigns seems... infinitesimal, so it can't be financial, either.

So what it must really mean is "based on a five minute exchange with you online, I have decided that if you had been born in the US or been otherwise entitled to US citizenship (and had led a completely different upbringing with different family and different friends), you would have voted for Trump".

This doesn't really seem like a convincing rebuttal to anything.

If I'd been born in the Royal Family, I'd be a princess. However, I wasn't and I'm not.

Branleuse · 24/05/2021 20:52

@Justhadathought

I dont think Posie is anti abortion, but the reblican religious right in america that she was quite close to (for tactical reasons) are, and caroline Farrow, that I kept seeing on a lot of her stuff

I think we are moving away from narrow party political or ideological loyalties to people who coalesce around certain issues. Ironically this comes at a time when rigid ideological purity along with group identity politics are in the ascendant too.

Even then , most political parties have always been broad churches of people and representatives, with quite varying background, experience and viewpoint. At the end of any day, we are all alone with our own integrity and moral priorities, which should never be sacrificed to group conformity or think.

I agree. I just dont know how I feel about it
NiceGerbil · 24/05/2021 21:48

Didn't she have like one meeting in USA with some other speakers whose views are iffy for feminists?

I mean I don't really care. She's not American. Being anti abortion is a pretty niche view in the UK apart from NI and even there the law has just changed. I am pretty sure she's English.

Why this insistence on the constant reference to USA stuff?

Is there anything from the UK?

EG I dunno

Philip green was a great businessman what a shame he was painted as a bad guy
I completely trust Dominic Cummings to put the public interest first
I wish I could fly by KH&Orv is the best song of all time
The way to eat a scone is cream jam hundreds and thousands
Etc etc

Come on dish the dirt!

And like I say.
A. I used to argue with her all the time I strongly disagreed with her on a lot of stuff
B. The adult human female posters etc were excellent and remain excellent even if it turns out she never got over her teen crush on pat sharp and also likes to eat live kittens

Delphinium20 · 24/05/2021 21:53

Indeed, teen pregnancy is thenumber one cause of deathfor teen girls worldwide. This is particularly worrisome because the Dominican Republic prohibitsall abortion, even in the cases when the mother’s life is in danger

My god...that is chilling. The Dominican Republic is a beautiful country but I remember feeling sick about young Dominican girls I saw hanging around the resort I stayed...I worried they would be used by wealthy resort men. And I had no idea abortion was illegal-those poor teen girls. Makes me livid. This is exactly the types of issues we should take our time fixing...the gender shit is such a colossal distraction and, like most of you here, I wish it could Just.Go.Away.

NiceGerbil · 24/05/2021 21:57

In the end

She's not American
She's not a politician
As far as I'm aware this is the only thing she's campaigning on

And I'm not sure what the point of these sorts of threads are apart from to... ?

Is it so that lurkers are supposed to think

I don't agree with the changes happening re gender at the mo
Oh look nor does she and she's been on telly about it and in the news and has raised awareness around the topic which is good
Hold on. Shit! When she was in USA she spoke to some nasty people or something!
Ok well I definitely don't want to have anything to do with anything like that! I'll make up for it by donating to stonewall.

Is that what it's about?

NiceGerbil · 24/05/2021 21:58

Oh I missed loads of posts! Catching up. My last one may be out of context

NiceGerbil · 24/05/2021 22:02

Oh lol just seen that I missed before.

'she may deny being a feminist'

Like being accused of being s feminist is a terrible thing! Bit of a telling slip there!

I deny any jiggery pokery in my expenses
I deny any accusation of misconduct
I deny being a feminist

Not enough lols in the world!

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