Eve Appeal responds to criticism against TWAW

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I follow Eve Appeal on Instagram. It is a charity that raises awareness for gynaecological cancers. I did not expect this kind of response from them, and I am so hurt by their comments. How is it possible that trans women would need the services of this charity? How can you be tested for a gynaecological cancer when you do not possess female organs?

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How can a charity for gynecological cancer say that TWAW? It feels like I'm living in The Twilight Zone. I can't support a charity that goes against science. This feels like such a betrayal. Women are not disgusting for going against TWAW.

This is the Prostate Cancer UK 'Man of Men' badge. Not very inclusive is it, and yet no one seems at PCUK seems to be falling over themselves to emphasise that 'women can get prostate cancer too'. Quite the opposite actually - Man of Men - hammering home the point about who gets that type of cancer!

Strange isn't it?

THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A NEO-CERVIX. A major problem is that the trans community lies non-stop, and well-meaning organizations give them the benefit of the doubt they're honest or know what they're talking about.

It's inverted-penis cancer (or whatever cut out/re- purposed body part cancer).

It is not, and will never be cervical cancer. Or womb cancer. Or ovarian cancer etc

[quote DamsonDragon]transwomen who have had gender confirmation surgery can get cervical cancer of the neo-vagina/cervix.

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The quote you’ve referenced does not say they can get cervical cancer. It refers to a ‘neovaginal vault’. Which does not contain a cervix as one would have to be transplanted from a female, men do not have a cervix and never will have,

@DamsonDragon

I'm sorry I better tell the scientists who wrote the article i linked that clearly there years of research are wrong because someone on the internet said so...

No one is claiming its a natural vagina, hence its refered to as a neo-vagina, however TW who have had surgery are at increased risk of abnormal lesions, and do require regular smears.. As the study I linked above clearly states... honestly, I'm just repeating what the science has found.

I'm sorry, but regardless of what your personal opinion is on the TWAW debate is, we as people should not be telling anyone they should not be accessing health services that medical science has identified they need (smear tests) as thats not far from wishing cancer on them, as your denying them the chance to identify abnormalities early.

You are wrong, you clearly can’t correctly interpret findings of a medical research paper. Transwomen do not have a uterus or cervix so can’t get uterine it’s cervical cancer. They can. however, get prostrate cancer because they are Male. Their surgeon who performed the surgery should have made this very clear. If they think they have a cervix or uterus now, they’re deluded.

@DamsonDragon

They get problems that may resemble the same findings under a microscope, but it’s not cervical cancer, and it’s not a gynaecological cancer.

if it barks like a dog, and looks like a dog...

If it has the same cellular structure as something then it is that something, regardless of personal belief. Thats the beauty of science, its often rather easy to identify if something is the same on a factual, definitive basis, as much of science can be measured in absolutes.

Regardless of whether its cervical cancer or not, it strongly supports that transwomen post surgery require regular smears as in a ideal world women would be getting periodically.

The nhs guidance on screening services for trans people is very clear on what is needed and how to access such services via the GP. Again, if you’ve gone to the hassle of having surgery then you have a responsibility to sort your own healthcare our. A cervix isn’t a dog. A cervix has different cell structures than a penis. A cervix is only ever found inside a woman.

Thank you, wellbehavedwomen.

As ever, in awe of the knowledge, eloquence, experience, compassion and courage of the women on this board.

I'm sorry I better tell the scientists who wrote the article i linked that clearly there years of research are wrong because someone on the internet said so...

It may be hard to grasp but there are doctors, medical researchers, pharmacists, cellular biologists and a whole host of other scientists on here. Women who have successful careers based on accurately and critically appraising medical research papers. I was amazed to read a thread where people put their hand up if they had a PhD - turns out masses of us on here do.

Funnily enough, despite TW assertions that females are ditsy, emotional, obsessed with high heels and flicking long hair, women are actually clever, logical, astute, leaders in their fields.

The post has gone from the grid. Click the photo to see a screenshot of what Eve Appeal have said about the post in their stories. I had hoped that the post was removed because they realised it was a mistake to share such information. However, the comments made in stories appear to indicate the opposite.

Thank you for all of the responses to my OP. I am so grateful that we are able to discuss these issues and support one another.

It's such a shame, because they seem such a vibrant, smart bunch with an important mission to fulfil. I'd have followed their Instagram. Heck, I will follow them.

It's clear they realise they've made a mistake; I think they might need some more time to work out exactly what it was.

I have never heard or read any feminist, any woman, saying that post-transition trans-women or transmen should be denied the healthcare they need, especially those who have had reassignment surgery. Who would deny anyone that? And of course it needs to be tailored to their needs. A transwoman with a neo-vagina is not going to be best served by standard gynaecological checks from specialists in female anatomy but a transman probably will be. It needs to be easy and comfortable for people to access the care they need and the pathways need to be clearly marked.

That said, it serves nobody to believe the chop logic of, "You say only females have a cervix/uterus/periods, so you must also think women without a cervix/uterus/periods are not female!"

Well, I know all dogs are mammals, but that doesn't mean I maintain all mammals are dogs! We do logic exercises like that with 6 and 7 year olds: where have these peddlers of untruths been?

Agreed NearlyGranny.

The charity are evidently caught between an 'emotional' member of staff determined to deny biology and science in order to centre trans women in a charity for female gynae cancer and millions of women who are offended that our own experiences of our bodies and biology have to be cancelled by the charity in order to appease the woke.

So tragic that women's language and reality are repeatedly sacrificed in order to pander to this movement.

If transmen are avoiding treatment intended for females then yes we could construct a huge and elaborate fantasy that the whole world must go along with or we could simply remind transmen that they are still female.

That was easy.

That isn't an apology, that's a 'we were right, we're sorry that female people insist on existing in this mean and unpleasant way'.

Inclusion means 'add' you utter muppets. Not 'erase and replace'. Be inclusive of females too - and don't pretend fantasy facts in an incredibly offensive way to the females in the developing world you at least enact caring about while funding ridiculous politics in the UK - and your troubles are over.

Idiots. What about the many women who've had female cancers and surgery who find their politics offensive and harmful?

They are a charity who do not deserve women's support and do not deserve to survive. If they are unable to prioritise the needs of a vulnerable majority of women over the shouts of a vocal articulate minority, they are incapable of fulfilling their remit.

@LastTrainEast

If transmen are avoiding treatment intended for females then yes we could construct a huge and elaborate fantasy that the whole world must go along with or we could simply remind transmen that they are still female.

That was easy.

Whoever is responsible for their healthcare and prescribing hormones or other should really be making sure that they know about what screening they should be having. They would know if they have had a hysterectomy etc. PHE makes special leaflets so it is all clear.

(It might make sense for everyone to have available a choice of GP to sign up for and then these problems wouldn't arise............. and would not need to be a part of any charity's virtue signalling)

Maybe in an ideal world everyone gets whatever testing they fancy if it makes them feel good.
However in the real world men should not be taking up limited appointments in a women's smear test clinic.

Eve Appeal Web social media (& Web site if I rember correctly) do at least talk about women & girls. Other than that post on Instagram responding to the 'only females get cervical cancer' hashtag, there are no signs that they are going along with severing the female body & health from the words woman & female, which is good. Their public facing is still woman focused. It's difficult to walk that line on the current climate.

Jo's cervical cancer Trust (the country's main cervical cancer charity I think) - which pink news quoted to spin that 'only females get cervical cancer' was a transphobic lie - seem to have pretty much expunged female & woman from their Web site & social media. If you look hard enough you find 'the cervix is part of the female reproductive system' and under 'who needs cervical screening' they say if you have a cervix, then list all kinds of categories of people starting with 'most women are born with a cervix'. And that's it. The words woman & female don't appear elsewhere. They don't see cervical cancer as a women's health issue. When we were finally winning the ability to talk openly about the female body & bodily processes.

However in the real world men should not be taking up limited appointments in a women's smear test clinic

Men aren't - it's talking about trans men, not trans women, (as in biologically female) - there seems to be a lot of confused people on this thread talking about trans women

Men aren't referring to the fact that the pp I was quoting definitely seemed to mean biologically male instead of trans before anyone jumps on that lol

And I saw on twitter - the Jo's charity only 3 yrs ago did research showing 40%of women don't know what the cervix is. So talking abt 'people with a cervix' instead if women is really not in the interest of most women.

3 yrs ago they were centering women in their communication - it's happened since then.

Julia Grant was a transgender woman who was left with irreparable injuries because when they had problems with their neovagina the medical staff treated them with surgical instruments meant for a natural vagina.

If they had any sense the TRA community would be promoting services for trans people only and not trying to invade women's services.

And I saw on twitter - the Jo's charity only 3 yrs ago did research showing 40%of women don't know what the cervix is. So talking abt 'people with a cervix' instead if women is really not in the interest of most women.

Shocking.

And I saw on twitter - the Jo's charity only 3 yrs ago did research showing 40%of women don't know what the cervix is. So talking abt 'people with a cervix' instead if women is really not in the interest of most women.

And I saw on twitter that a transwomen’s recommendation to someone who suggested that women and girls may not know what body parts are, that all women need to be educated and educated some more until they did. Because that was the answer. NOT taking the language back and allowing women to check with their doctors if they are unsure if it relates to them as women, because.... to use women at all (even with ‘and transmen’) is just exclusionary and causes unnecessary pain.

Eye roll. We really need eye roll emojis.

Jo's charity only serves to keep Mr Music busy on committees.