The Guardian job cuts

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A lot comments standing up for women. What was that phrase again, go woke.....?

I'd be really interested to hear how the fortunes of the Times and other papers compare - there is a general downturn in papers' readership/circulation, is it the same across the board? Is there somewhere to find these comparative figures?

I feel they think it is people’s DUTY to support them. Well, it isn’t.

Well said. I actively look for alternative sources if I want to read about a particular story now but on the rare occasions I land on a Guardian story that smarmy little begging (not so little) just really irritates me. I have been known to say out loud "Fuck off you wankers!" back

It was Cologne that did for me too. I read the coverage, observed its brutal misogyny, and that was me done with the rag.

I'll be glad, almost, if it folds.

Bold:ScrimpshawTheSecond, Wikipedia has some relevant data if you scroll down the site en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circulation#2020_to_present.

Such a shame.... reminded me to block their webpage so I don’t inadvertently give them any money with an accidental click though.

I refuse to fund misogyny.

Thanks,, nepeta, exactly what I was looking for! If only they'd used colours that were easier to differentiate!

There's a real need for a proper left-wing media outlet that defends working class people, free speech, women's rights and other fascist dogwhistles. (Yes, even "working class" is a dogwhistle according to the woke cult. How do they keep thinking they're the good guys?)

Its not about liking OJ.

He generates revenue through clickbait.

She knew precisely what she was doing when she posted those tweets. She deserves thanks for standing up for women who know fine well they'd be 'cancelled' if they discussed this particular hot potato openly.

I think it was planned like a military operation. The timing between the tweets etc, alongside her releasing her book on line which would of course generate a great deal of good will for her. I think it was planned to the last detail and I love her for it

@ScrimpshawTheSecond here are the most recent ABCs.

www.pressgazette.co.uk/national-newspaper-abcs-print-circulations-held-during-coronavirus-outbreak-before-uk-lockdown/

The Guardian is on its last legs. That said, I’m always sad about journalists losing their jobs. Less journalists means less feet held to the fire, in general.

I may not agree with the editorial stance of the Graun but I know that we have the richest and most diverse national media in the world and a plurality of voices is absolutely vital if we are to hold those in power to account. It’d be no good if all the papers took the same editorial stance.

I used to get it free from Waitrose, but there just wasn't anything to read, so I got the Telegraph instead, then later The Times - it was either that or the Mail which I had had enough of at MIL's.

It is awful; I was brought up on the Graun but it was not even worth getting free. OJ is dire.

I used to wonder why I was being expected to read an article about American foreign policy written by someone whose journalistic background was ten years at the NME. It seemed as though this blaise cultural commentary was suddenly worth more than actual facts and analysis.

Exactly - I used to buy the Guardian regular feeling it needed the financial support but then apart from the shoddy journalism I started counting up the amount of space given over to comment pieces and advertising compared to news - about 3/4 to 1/4!

And yes the Telegraph has always has a reputation as a better actual newspaper (my parents would be splitting their sides laughing if they were still alive to see me say this) but I always resisted buying or reading it because of it politics. (I sometimes read the Times for their articles about women but quite honestly the rest of it makes me feel a bit sick and grubby. Some really horrible commentators on there.)

Loving the twitter comments. Feeling less alone. THE RATIO! THE RATIO!

I'm sorry for the back room people who will lose their jobs through no fault of their own. This is a terrible time to lose employment.

I used to subscribe. Like many, I cancelled when it became clear TG was, through its opinion pages, promoting anti-science in ways both misogynistic and homophobic.

The whole letter against Suzanne Moore debacle does not encourage me to reconsider.

I am also sad for what the Guardian once was. The resignation letter of Bari Weiss regarding the New York Times could be replicated by many of the very good journalists who work at the Guardian. They could quite easily improve their model by sacking all the idiots, retaining all the journalists - actual journalists who do journalism, not propaganda pieces - and focus on balance.

But if they went under I wouldn’t mourn it because they’ve had ample warning. They don’t value differing opinion. I have had comments deleted for no reason other than they don’t agree with the ideological stance of the article. I’ve been put on pre-moderation. I’ve seen perfectly reasonable comments by others removed. I’ve seen their blatant gaming of the “Guardian Pick” which is often just a teacher’s pet award. I’ve complained about accuracy of articles and dismissed. The worst thing is, when comments are allowed, even the readers don’t buy their bullshit, as evidenced by the Billy Bragg article. They’re the very embodiment of the world political left; they think if they say things and can’t hear answers to the contrary back, they’re right.

There are some excellent people who work there and funnily enough, all the writers I value were not signatories of the letter witch-hunting Suzanne Moore. I hope if it goes under those people find a good place to work who supports the idea of real journalism. Maybe when Murdoch finally pops his clogs The Times can be a paper for all.

The Guardian’s begging at the bottom of articles for “open, independent journalism” is just laughable. “Factual information”, “high editorial standards” 😆😆 Who are they trying to kid?!

I used to subscribe to The Guardian and read it for 30+ years but now I won't even give it clicks other than occasionally by accident if I don't notice a link is from there. I subscribe to The Times instead.

Just wanted to add my voice in case anyone from The Guardian is reading.

I subscribed from the first day subscriptions were available. I was a Guardian reader for 30 years. I stopped my subscription last year when I realised they didn’t care about women. I now read the Times.

Just wanted to add my voice in case anyone from The Guardian is reading.

I’d guess that both the Guardian and the Times will have tools to pick up mentions of themselves online.

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Its not about liking OJ.

He generates revenue through clickbait.

I don't read his columns - they are the immature, incoherent, hysterical, and often misogynistic rantings of a not-very-bright armchair socialist - so why would I? The Twitter comments on both twitter threads I read were pretty unanimous in Owen Jones being a key reason why they stopped reading or subscribing to the Guardian.

He is not an asset to the paper. No one (except himself) takes him seriously. He's like a parody, but not even a funny one.

I’ve read the Graun online for many, many years, and the slide into crapdom has been painful to watch. It started out with the employment of too many, often one-note, opinion writers such as the self-loathing Joseph Harker, the immensely privileged (but let’s ignore it) Afua Hirsch, and self-important little nobody Owen Jones, on top of its established stable of writers that included the likes of wealthy, otherworldly and certainly not only here because of nepotism, noooo Polly Toynbee. At least they still allowed comments on most articles. Then came the change of editorship and it really went downhill, reading like the FB posts of the worst woke dude-bro in your acquaintance and obsessed with millennials. Now? Even many of the opinion pieces are barely more than stub articles, constant BTL disagreement with what they publish has led to the almost total disappearance of comments in the opinion section. Yet they firmly dig in with the now obviously failing woke ideology in the vague hope that they can lure in Gen Z readers. No chance.
On top of all that it’s still run by a company based in the Cayman Islands as a tax dodging ruse.

Do you think Owen Jones ever wonders why so many women hate him? I recall him saying his family were all very right on and feminist, it's quite scary that he probably doesn't even realise how misogynistic he is.

Just wanted to add my voice in case anyone from The Guardian is reading.

Even if they’re reading, they won’t be listening. They’ll be reading these replies, and those on Twitter, and saying to themselves, “These people aren’t accepting what we tell them, how dare they not think what we want them to” and carry on.

I mourn the Guardian, which used to be a friend and ally. It’s been sliding for years. I remember their big Millennium campaign to tackle a truly major issue. Climate change? Women’s rights in developing countries? Loss of public goods to privatisation? No - abolish the monarchy. That’s when I suddenly realised it was student politics.

I have a friend who is an ex-Guardian journalist (not one of the big names) who tells me that the paper was basically doomed financially when Rusbridger decided not to use a payroll and to sell its stake in the very profitable AutoTrader in 2014. It was already in trouble but, since then, it has been circling the drain. You can see this from the incoherence of its business strategy, which is driven by ideology and wishful thinking, not by commercial nous. Anyone with half a brain would have anticipated that alienating half its readership - the half who make most spending decisions - to please a tiny cabal of shouty blue-hairs would turn off advertisers, as well as making subscriptions drop like a stone. But I doubt The Guardian ever even gave a thought to the reactions of its female readership to its output. The misogyny is so ingrained that it simply didn't occur to them that women wouldn't just do as we are told.

As for OJ, advertisers are a lot more sophisticated than just counting clicks these days. Facebook, TikTok etc allow them to target adverts at their precise market, at much lower cost than mass advertising. OJ may bring traffic to the Guardian site, but I seriously doubt that the income earned compensates for all the female readers he has alienated.

I would LOVE to see the Guardian finally fall down, along with all the too-woke-to-function priviligistas out there. Surely it eventually has to happen? The grownups have to take charge agai eventually?

These days I think of them as the equivalent of the upper-class twits arsing around, playing at life and lecturing all the underlings about theoretical nonsense, while everyone else is desperately struggling to survive.

They'll all be just fine no matter what happens but they'll have done their share of damage in the meantime.

Anyone got a tiny violin to play them off?

This has already been said but, just for the record, and in case The Gruan are interested, I was raised on it and take no pleasure in what's happening. This is a dreadful time to lose your job. But it's been a long, slow falling out, from their coverage of the Cologne assaults to Billy Bragg's article.

Special mention to the staff who signed the Suzanne Moore denunciation - I wonder how many of them have since had a piece published denying Cancel Culture exists?