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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Change.org says it's discriminatory to say that women are raped because they are female

77 replies

Dances · 13/07/2020 16:11

mobile.twitter.com/jadakix/status/1282638826956115976

Gender identity is not a 'protected characteristic'

Sex is. Gender Reassignment is.

Women and transwomen do not share a protected characteristic. BUT sex is being ignored in favour of 'gender identity'

I think we are in serious trouble.

OP posts:
deepwatersolo · 13/07/2020 16:24

This is silly. Obviously women are raped for their sex. (Just as a male is assaulted for his body, when that happens). That a predator chooses his victim based on the victim‘s sexed body isn‘t contoversial ffs.

PlanDeRaccordement · 13/07/2020 16:29

The statement that women are raped because they are female is discriminatory. First, your sex doesn’t cause rape. Second, males are also raped.

PlanDeRaccordement · 13/07/2020 16:30

That a predator chooses his victim based on the victim‘s sexed body isn‘t contoversial ffs.

Yes it is because how then do you explain prison rape? The predator isn’t raping because the victim is a certain sex.

deepwatersolo · 13/07/2020 16:31

A Classic bin sequitur on your side Plan.

deepwatersolo · 13/07/2020 16:34

Well Plan, how do you explain that Ted Bundy didn’t rape males? Hm?

JellySlice · 13/07/2020 16:35

Wasn't there a news article about a transman who was mugged, and when the muggers realised that their victim was female they then raped the transman? And the transman was bewildered because they had told the muggers that they weren't a woman?

PennyNotSoWise · 13/07/2020 16:38

Apparently in the twitter thread, the OP is looking into taking action against them for sex discrimination.

deepwatersolo · 13/07/2020 16:42

Non, not bin. My auto correct seriously corrects non to bin. Repeatedly. Wtf?

Michelleoftheresistance · 13/07/2020 16:42

Male entitlement to female biology regardless of the feelings of the female in possession of that biology; male beliefs about female people having no right to gatekeep access to that biology, or to bodily autonomy; male beliefs about female consent not really being a thing; male beliefs about the way to really piss off another male is to penetrate a female those males see as owned by the male.....

The history of rape in a nutshell. Corrective rape: males raping females to punish or convert them. Rape as a war crime. Marital rape, where a female's right to say no only made it into law a few years ago. Date rape, with all the fun drugs. Rape when a female is drunk, incapable or asleep where the male (that lovely one at the American Uni) is then let off, even after abandoning the raped unconscious body in the street, because gosh wouldn't it be sad to damage his career over a silly thing that any man would understand.

Jeez.

Yes, there is male on male rape. But we're talking about a tiny percentage compared to the whacking great elephant cavorting about in the room, that the trans lobby really hate.

Females are female because of female biology.

Females in possession of female biology are constantly at risk all their lives from a male who feels like taking it, and many experience this. Including the poor transman who sobbed to their rapist in a taxi "but I'm a man!" How females feel about this or identify is utterly irrelevant to the rapist because this is about male entitlement to female biology.

And what you're seeing storming away on Twitter is male entitlement to women's language, realities, lived experiences, spaces, all based on that same underlying belief that females are not entitled to own anything or say no to males.

Oddly enough all those people know the exact sort of women they apply this entitlement to, and it's all the ones with female biology.

The tantrums in this case are about nothing more than female people refusing to lie nicely and prioritise male people's feelings, and saying female people are a thing, with specific issues to do with being female. Because quite obviously, the most important thing when female people talk about the huge, massive, whacking, worldwide very seriously problem with female rape, is not whether male born people feel included.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 13/07/2020 16:47

It was a taxi driver, not a mugger, JellySlice, at least in the story I saw. The poor naive girl was reported to have said that she kept telling him she was a man but he wouldn't stop. So sad. And daft.

There might be another story though.

deepwatersolo · 13/07/2020 16:49

Yeah, true, if TW were W, they would have been shut out of public discourse a long time ago.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 13/07/2020 16:54

Claiming that women aren't raped because they're women is a nonsense when you look at rape as a weapon of war. Women are frequently raped as a war crime, with the main purposes impregnating the victims and defiling them in the eyes of their own people. This means that victims find themselves ostracized by their communities, with the babies cast out.

Rape is about power and control rather than desire.

ThatsHowWeRowl · 13/07/2020 16:58

Whaaaaaat?!

ThatsHowWeRowl · 13/07/2020 17:01

This is so offensive to women who have been raped as well, because it is basically saying that if they could have avoided being raped by not identifying as a woman because the fact their body is female is irrelevant.

Women can't identify out of their female bodies you absolute fucking fuckwits.

deepwatersolo · 13/07/2020 17:12

Something tells me that this comes from the same train of thought that gave us menstruation envy.

Just sayn‘.

LillianBland · 13/07/2020 17:16

If my memory is correct, wasn’t a women once told by a male bodied person who identifies as trans, that they had ‘cis’ privilege because they had an abortion? Imagine what goes on in someone’s head, that they’re actually jealous that a woman needed to go through an abortion. shudder

MummBraTheEverLeaking · 13/07/2020 17:42

Absolutely shocking. I've closed my account and given them a piece of my mind.

Bluebooby · 13/07/2020 17:54

Is anyone keeping record of the things for women that have been ruined because of gender stuff? Things like this petition, reddit groups being shut down, even things like women's toilets changing to "gender neutral" etc? If there is a list of actual things that have happened, I'd be very grateful for a link to use for something I'm working on. If there is no list, it sounds like something we should make and I'd happily contribute to the research.

Bluebooby · 13/07/2020 17:58

@LillianBland

If my memory is correct, wasn’t a women once told by a male bodied person who identifies as trans, that they had ‘cis’ privilege because they had an abortion? Imagine what goes on in someone’s head, that they’re actually jealous that a woman needed to go through an abortion. shudder
I don't think I've heard about that one but it wouldn't shock me at all after some of the disgusting remarks I've seen directed at fgm survivors.
Doyoumind · 13/07/2020 18:02

That is so wrong. Of course women are raped because they are female. It doesn't have anything to do with trans people or males who are raped. That's a separate issue. It's another all lives matter.

It sounds like discrimination based on sex. I hope they get somewhere with it.

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 13/07/2020 18:04

Well thats one of the stupidest things ive ever heard

(I was going to say THE stupidest but there is a fair amount of competition for that)

DianasLasso · 13/07/2020 18:05

AngryAngryAngry

PerspicaciaTick · 13/07/2020 18:09

So rapists select their victims entirely randomly and it is pure coincidence that approx. 98% of victims are female - women and girls?

Thinkingabout1t · 13/07/2020 18:12

And CrowdJustice pulled Allison Bailey's crowdfunder to sue Stonewall; they then put it back up but with their own text on it, not hers. Then they wouldn't let her continue fundraising beyond a set amount.

Women are obviously not considered a good cause! Not if any man anywhere disagrees with them.

deepwatersolo · 13/07/2020 18:13

Well thats one of the stupidest things ive ever heard.

Indeed. And, without going into the whole topic of how rape and the threat of rape is used by patriarchy to uphold its order and keep women in line, just staying on the surface:

Surely it is not controversial that perpetrators will choose their victims based on their sexed bodies and not ask them for their pronouns before making their decision!?!?

You don't even have to subscribe to or reject some particular world view to understand this. It is just an obvious truth. How can this be controversial on any level?