If they say cancel culture doesn't exist then surely it doesn't...erm no

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Huffpost Article forwarded to me today by a friend who said it was a "really great read" Analysis, please.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/cancel-culture-harpers-jk-rowling-scam_n_5f0887b4c5b67a80bc06c95e?ri18n=true

Also that it allows people to ignore it happening, move along, nothing to see here.

Is this person aware that Reddit are removing sites where women can discuss women's health issues, because doing so is transphobic, even as incel and rape discussion ones remain? That any areas to discuss the effect on women of removing our ability to define ourselves as a sex class are being removed, as transphobic? That Twitter is now banning women for the statement that only female people - female, not even women - have a cervix?

I'll tell you who's being cancelled: women. The dull kind born with vaginas and ovaries, and able to define ourselves into that category, because that category is why we're sodding well oppressed in the first place.

If being erased from social media unless signing up to a faith belief we don't share isn't cancellation, then what is it?

JK Rowling wasn't cancelled because her publisher and editor told those seeking to do that to get to fuck. But most people don't have her power, and therefore speaking out is a risk. Gillian Phillips was tweeting on her own damn time and her publishers are pathetic. I hope she finds a new one, with actual integrity and with an understanding that women are human beings, too. So, so many people I know are silent for fear that speaking up for women would see them lose their jobs.

And no, JK Rowling's not fucking transphobic. She's a feminist, who stands for women and girls. Adult human and young child females. And God bless her for doing so.

It seems so obvious to me that most of the people who signed the letter were doing so because they're "rich and powerful" enough to get away with speaking up, and they're speaking on behalf of people who aren't.

Is the persistent assumption that they're doing in on their own behalf pure bad faith? Or is it projection - OJ has decided that people who signed the letter are bad, therefore their reasons for signing it were obviously selfish?

I find it extremely concerning because it indicates many influential people on the left are literally unable even to imagine giving a shit about other people. (Obviously many influential people on the right are the same but at least they're honest about what they believe, and unlikely to establish any re-education camps to persuade the rest of us they're good people.)

It seems so obvious to me that most of the people who signed the letter were doing so because they're "rich and powerful" enough to get away with speaking up, and they're speaking on behalf of people who aren't.

Exactly, doh!

The only reason JKR has been able to speak up about this is because she is powerful enough that she knows she can't be cancelled. She isn't speaking for herself, she is speaking for those less powerful than her.

I can't work out in OJ knows this and is just ignoring this fact because he is pissy that he witchunting is being called out, or if he genuinely is that thick that he doesn't get this?

OJ is gaslighting. I loathe him.

The assertion "cancel culture doesn't exist" is gaslightling and very dishonest:

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/stop-firing-innocent/613615/

It's usually based on the fact that some cancellation targets have the luck or sufficient resources to weather the storm.

It was repeated in The Sunday Times today by Flora Gill whose journalistic skills seem to reside in who her parents are.

Obviously cancel culture exists

There are newspaper articles, its all over social media

Why are people so fucking stupid! Its tiresome

"Keep talking about cancel culture and we'll cancel you next, and you'll deserve it!"

He really is an odious little man.

Oh of course thats it

He is frightened someone or someones will cancel him

Live by the sword die by the sword..

What goes around comes around...

Karma...

Etc, etc

When I read the Article by Janice Turner, I noticed this comment underneath by John Woodhouse he wrote - We need numbers and that is beginning to happen Isn't it ironic that these poor suffering trans bullies feel so unsafe in normal work situations but have no trouble screeching at anyone with a different point of view and hitting women in Hyde Park. They are particularly clever in reformulating any opposition as right wing fascism. We need many more very public surveys of opinion to smoke them out as the troublesome and loudmouth bigots that they are. Face up to them and they will hide away behind their key boards. We need critical mass to say stuff you BillyBragg. Useless musician and idiot thinker. Go back to your cliff top in Dorset and shut up.

Forgot to add, I think this applies to Owen Jones, would have put OJ but I feel that implies some sort of affection

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Forgot to add, I think this applies to Owen Jones, would have put OJ but I feel that implies some sort of affection

I call him Little OJ to signify my contempt. He's such a petty little misogynist.

Owen Jones in a nutshell:

• Evil tories are trying to get rid of all our employment rights so they can sack you for no good reason.

• You should be sacked for saying things that I consider to be mean.

He is totally incapable of seeing the hypocrisy.

OJ is fully aware of this. He knows that he has been called out. Especially in front of his colleagues after Janice told him to get back under his rock.

He is obviously the chief bully at the Guardian who has tried to silence his colleagues and decide what can be reported. To do that requires a deliberate choice.

He would thrive in a communist society.

People are attempting to distinguish what's happening from "state sponsored censorship". But when prospective leaders of the Labour party (in which I believe LOJ has some interest) sign pledges against groups of biological women self-organising, thus removing their right to speak without male presence, this falls flat. Add in the complex links between large social media platforms and governments worldwide, and you have the perfect storm.
I don't know whether LOJ is disingenuous or stupid, but he's certainly not big on the rights of women.

I saw a rebuttal to this by Thomas Chatterton Williams pointing out some glaring errors eg the signatories weren't all white etc but I can't find it now, just the Guardian sticking the knife in, again. At least it's still in the news, hideous that again there is an attempt to flip the narrative...

Don’t worry Owen, everyone gets their turn up against the wall.

“What you gonna do when they come for you?”

They can't even be bothered to be consistent in their own argument, which seems to go: "Cancel culture doesn't exist and in any case when people are cancelled it's because they deserve it."

I spent some time over the weekend reading the comments btl on Billy Bragg's article in The Guardian and was cheered to see that almost all the comments with the most "up-votes" were taking BB to task and supporting the Harpers letter writers.

I was even more cheered to see that quite a few mentioned that it was women in particular who were being "cancelled" and silenced...

First I heard of it was when Germaine Greer was banned from speaking at Cardiff University because she didn't believe 'Trans women are women.'
That was 2015.
It was meant as a tool to stop far right extremists recruiting for terrorism but has been abused and corrupted, used as a tool to shut down free speech by the left.
It's seriously undermining the credibility of the Left, but they are willfully blind to it.

Need to keep nudging Sir Kier, "what about women Kier. You'll need to move quick if you want us at the next election" and "I wont vote for u if you don't really crack the Labour Party into shape. Talk to Neil Kinnock, he didn't shirk his responsibilities." Kier wants to know which side is winning before he jumps. In my book that's cowardice

To be honest, the far left has been ‘cancelling’ people who don’t go along with the approved opinion for decades.

Ask anyone over the age of 70 if they were ever dragged out on strike by a trade union over a cause they didn’t agree with. Ask them what happened to the people who refused.

I suspect many progressives would not make a connection between trade unions and leftism. Which is funny in a rather depressing sort of way. If it twigged, I wonder i they would think, gee, isn't it peculiar that my lot is still seeing their lot as backwards and deplorable?

I can't figure out how it is that there are so many people who seem not to see what is going on. Part may be that there are many who aren't aware of the situation in academia - that is where it first became visible to me because it was so clear that stifling ideas in that forum was really inappropriate. But there is a strong tendency for people to say, if you can complain about people being canceled, they aren't canceled.

And so many people buy into the "you are free to say it but not from the consequences, it's good that racists etc be fired". They seem utterly ignorant what the effects of that would be, especially if you have an extremely wide view of what constitutes racism and other isms, as many do at the moment.

In a British context the idea of divorcing leftism from the trade unions seems absurd, but it's true that they don't seem to have had nearly as much impact on Labour politics as Momentum over the last few years. I've always felt tension between supporting unions in general on principle and because of family who were in them and recognizing their sexism and frequent attempts to throw women under the bus to protect men's jobs. Even with that being the case I think the left would be better off led by the unions than with what's happening now. "Progressive" is such an amorphous concept, and people who consider themselves progressive often pay very little attention to the bread and butter issues that really matter if you're poor.

I think TU's are happy to back momentum. Their involvement has made Labour the biggest party in Europe. I don't think they want to lose that, so it will be a very difficult one to juggle