If they say cancel culture doesn't exist then surely it doesn't...erm no

[PuppyLove2000]

Huffpost Article forwarded to me today by a friend who said it was a "really great read" Analysis, please.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/cancel-culture-harpers-jk-rowling-scam_n_5f0887b4c5b67a80bc06c95e?ri18n=true

@highame

I think TU's are happy to back momentum. Their involvement has made Labour the biggest party in Europe. I don't think they want to lose that, so it will be a very difficult one to juggle

Increasingly though the working people are not so keen to vote Labour. I've wondered what that looks like at the level on internal TU politics.

Speaking of Little OJ.
It must take a staggering lack of critical thought to praise up in such a wholesale way one of the main proponents of cancel culture when you yourself made you name and living by saying a load of really nasty, offensive things about children, disable people and women. Pull that ladder up behind you, eh, Frankie?

Increasingly though the working people are not so keen to vote Labour. I've wondered what that looks like at the level on internal TU politics.

I'm not sure, but I think the likes of Len Mc thought Labour would have a landslide and therefore his socialist dream would come true, albeit further left than maybe he would have liked. Perhaps the idea was to get elected and then bring them back into line.

btw how do you do the block bit with name etc when replying to someone. My IT skills are very out of date

Wow, I didn't think Owen Jones would be able to say or do anything that would surprise me.

@highame

Increasingly though the working people are not so keen to vote Labour. I've wondered what that looks like at the level on internal TU politics.

I'm not sure, but I think the likes of Len Mc thought Labour would have a landslide and therefore his socialist dream would come true, albeit further left than maybe he would have liked. Perhaps the idea was to get elected and then bring them back into line.

btw how do you do the block bit with name etc when replying to someone. My IT skills are very out of date

At the top of each post there is a bar that has things like "Add message, Report Post". Quote is now one of the options. But it doesn't seem to appear where the message you want to quote contains a quote itself.

@wellbehavedwomen

Is this person aware that Reddit are removing sites where women can discuss women's health issues, because doing so is transphobic, even as incel and rape discussion ones remain? That any areas to discuss the effect on women of removing our ability to define ourselves as a sex class are being removed, as transphobic? That Twitter is now banning women for the statement that only female people - female, not even women - have a cervix?

I'll tell you who's being cancelled: women. The dull kind born with vaginas and ovaries, and able to define ourselves into that category, because that category is why we're sodding well oppressed in the first place.

If being erased from social media unless signing up to a faith belief we don't share isn't cancellation, then what is it?

JK Rowling wasn't cancelled because her publisher and editor told those seeking to do that to get to fuck. But most people don't have her power, and therefore speaking out is a risk. Gillian Phillips was tweeting on her own damn time and her publishers are pathetic. I hope she finds a new one, with actual integrity and with an understanding that women are human beings, too. So, so many people I know are silent for fear that speaking up for women would see them lose their jobs.

And no, JK Rowling's not fucking transphobic. She's a feminist, who stands for women and girls. Adult human and young child females. And God bless her for doing so.

Awesome post !!!

@Collidascope

Speaking of Little OJ. It must take a staggering lack of critical thought to praise up in such a wholesale way one of the main proponents of cancel culture when you yourself made you name and living by saying a load of really nasty, offensive things about children, disable people and women. Pull that ladder up behind you, eh, Frankie?

And the joke was this

: ‘I have a theory about the reason Jordan married a cage fighter - she needed a man strong enough to stop Harvey from fucking her.’

For anyone who wasn’t aware of how disgusting he’s been in the past. Wouldn’t make that joke now, eh Frankie? Good.

Fairly racist, too I’d say.

Thanks Goosefoot

That Frankie Boyle joke is so disgusting I cant even. Also, his old twitter is full of actual transphobic tweets and jokes about rape.

And this absolute cunt has the audacity to have a go at women for not being 'accepting and kind' enough.

Just. Fuck. Off. Frankie.

Increasingly though the working people are not so keen to vote Labour. I've wondered what that looks like at the level on internal TU politics.

TU’s are going through the same existential crisis as the Labour Party. They increasingly don’t actually represent the ‘working class’. I can’t remember where I saw it, but a recent study showed that a ridiculously high percentage of TU members - something like 70-80% - are in ‘professional’ roles. I’m guessing this largely includes teaching, medical, civil service, local government etc.

Something that has always been an issue for Labour is they haven't understood the WC for a long long time. Lots of self employed plumbers etc, the real aspirational people of the working class, do not hold the same views as labour. The LP will have a hell of a job persuading the MC that WC views will have to be incorporated in order for Labour to win votes. You cannot just go out there and say 'stop being racist' 'stop being transphobic' it just wont work. Kier Starmer is going north, but he is preaching to the converted . The Tories understand this, they know where to find votes, women and the north and they will keep their county set voters, because they will never vote labour

@TheRealMcKenna

Increasingly though the working people are not so keen to vote Labour. I've wondered what that looks like at the level on internal TU politics.

TU’s are going through the same existential crisis as the Labour Party. They increasingly don’t actually represent the ‘working class’. I can’t remember where I saw it, but a recent study showed that a ridiculously high percentage of TU members - something like 70-80% - are in ‘professional’ roles. I’m guessing this largely includes teaching, medical, civil service, local government etc.

Yes, that's true here in Canada too. Some of the trades have unions, but the biggest are civil service, teachers, nurses, and groups like that.

The groups that don't have unions are the ones who really could use them - waiters, warehouse staff, personal services like hair or massage or aesthetics, clerks in supermarkets, call centres. In many ways those are now the real working class jobs of today. And no way they would be allowed to unionise.

I don’t get Owen Jones.
Why does he have a platform from which to spout his views? Why should I give two shits what he thinks about anything? He’s just the Oxbridge educated son of a couple of lecturers, he’s a nobody with little actual life experience, so why is he everywhere?

I saw some dullards on Twitter were responding to Janice Turner’s 1984 piece this weekend saying that what she was talking about wasn’t coming from ‘government suppression‘ so therefore freedom of speech was unaffected.

I was interested in this and thought this KCL survey on freedom of speech and students was interesting:

www.kcl.ac.uk/policy-institute/assets/freedom-of-expression-in-uk-universities.pdf

It is interesting But look at the protected characteristics that it lists in the survey questions... my irony-ometer broke at that point.

Thats what I've always wondered @Vermeil.

Hes a nasty little man with skin like a butterfly. I've seen him cause pile ons on private citizens, sometimes very young, usually women for not giving him the 'proper respect' and then get all whiney and self pitying when people give it back to him.

What gaslighting rubbish. "Cancel culture doesn't exist but if you're cancelled you probably deserve is" sounds like the narcissist's prayer.

I really don't understand why the default response to criticism of the terminally woke is absolute denial. It's like gaslighting on a massive scale.

'There is no conflict between womens rights and the demanded trans rights'. 'Trans Activists have never said sex is not real/binary/immutable'. 'There is no cancel culture'.

'We have always been at war with Eastasia'

That KCL survey is very interesting ChattyLion.

Especially the conclusion that quite a lot of students think shouting down is the right thing to do. It seems the evidence is there for a cancel culture. I noticed that Huff Post try to reframe the pushback as moral panic, when in fact that's a good description of cancel culture, a panicked shouting down of words you don't want to hear.

Teenagers eh?

Speaking of Owen Jones:

If a woman is 'anyone who identifies as a woman' then it's not surprising they are in favour of self-id!

Or does OJ only think women are adult human females in very specific circumstances where very specific political points scoring is needed?

Oh I can't seem to attach a pic, it's OJ on twitter crowing about how 'women are more in favour of self id'.

On the subject of unions- has there ever been a women’s union? Set up to recognise the value of our labour, which is often unpaid, and to protect our rights?

Just read through the HuffPost article.

It starts While the letter itself, published by the magazine Harper’s, doesn’t use the term, [cancel culture]

Near the end If “cancel culture” is a term that encompasses both the famous and the nonfamous, social media mobs and risk-averse employers, firings and consumer boycotts, then it means nothing at all. It is, like “political correctness” before it, simply a name people give to things they do not like.

So the whole article which repeats "cancel culture" again and again, thinks it's a meaningless term like political correctness. Yet the letter writers never used the term.

What is great about this is that the writer then goes on to say how they do a podcast showing how people misremember controversies because they are misrepresented in the media.

Exactly like he does in this article.

Oh, and this bit
Declaring support for J.K. Rowling in July of 2020 is a de facto statement that you agree with her controversiall, unpopularr views on transgender people.

Has he read what JKR wrote?

@ThatsHowWeRowl

Oh I can't seem to attach a pic, it's OJ on twitter crowing about how 'women are more in favour of self id'.

Wow, women, who are bombarded from birth with the message that they should put other people's interests ahead of their own, act according to socialisation. What a shocker, eh, Owen?

Twitter has become a virtual pre action letter with everyone flinging claims and counter claims at each other.

It's the definition of a waste of space.