#OnlyFemalesGetCervicalCancer is trending on Twitter!

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Twitter has decided that saying "Only females get cervical cancer" is hateful.

Twitter to ban tens of thousands of accounts due to this ‘hateful conduct’.

So now ... it's trending on Twitter.

Take that, Twitter.

mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%23onlyfemalesgetcervicalcancer&src=trend_click

Just seen it's still trending and had a look through some tweets. Why people are tweeting that trans men and NBs can get it and it's transphobic I don't know. It shows that we aren't even allowed the word female any more. Even if you don't identify as a woman you are one biologically. Nothing can change that. Goes against the 'no one is saying sex isn't real' argument somewhat.

[quote DancelikeEmmaGoldman]Er. Right then.

www.cancer.ca/en/prevention-and-screening/reduce-cancer-risk/find-cancer-early/screening-in-lgbtq-communities/trans-women-and-cervical-cancer-screening/?region=on[/quote]
This is a Canadian link. The NHS state that trans women do not require screening for cervical cancer as they do not have a cervix.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-population-screening-information-for-transgender-people/nhs-population-screening-information-for-trans-people
The surgery required to construct a vagina in a man does not use cervical tissue and there is absolutely no evidence of men having cervical cancer. However, Canada is completely batshit as they think that people can miraculously change sex.

Twitter quote ‘just because someone is biologically female doesn’t mean they are female’ hmm I think it does.
I don’t get the impression that when people medically transition they have their ops and then tootle off with out any need for regular checkups/hormone tests/checks on the surgery sites etc so I would assume that they will have a close enough relationship with their medical providers that no one is under any illusion about their biological sex and the relevant requirements.

Another link from Cancer UK
www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/screening/trans-and-non-binary-cancer-screening#screening30

@gardenbird48

Twitter quote ‘just because someone is biologically female doesn’t mean they are female’ hmm I think it does. I don’t get the impression that when people medically transition they have their ops and then tootle off with out any need for regular checkups/hormone tests/checks on the surgery sites etc so I would assume that they will have a close enough relationship with their medical providers that no one is under any illusion about their biological sex and the relevant requirements.

If they've accessed medical transition privately, or hormones online, they may not have a good relationship with their GP and so miss appropriate screening services.

Fannycann - thanks for that link, eye opening and very sad. Even down to the size of the speculae they struggled to fit in. Fascinating by comparison to the perfectly evolved biological vagina and all it’s self-care features. I do wonder if abnormal bacterial colonisation/surgical trauma plus known HPV risk could predispose you specific cancers of the neovagina as time goes on?

Do you think people are warned about this? Is it worth swapping this for a healthy penis?

Sorry ‘to’ not you

FFS.

It's not incorrect to state that only females get cervical cancer, so how the hell can something true be hateful speech? Biological reality is hate speech? Ludicrious. They're not doing themselves any favours and as soon as this all blows up their faces, the better.

Well done Twitter, throwing women under the bus to validate fucking men.

Its hard not to feel sad for men undergoing this surgery, ending up with continuous odourous infections. Maybe thats how they imagine women are and it doesn’t bother them.

There's a lot of delusion surrounding it.

When GC was still up on Reddit there was a link to a page of TW telling others how amazing their man made vagina was. So good in fact that their gynaecologist couldn't even tell the difference between theirs and a real one Either that gynaecologist needs to be struck off immediately, they were pandering to bullshit, or those posters were full of shit.

Not to mention how cruel that is, giving people false hope of what can be achieved.

Hmm, perhaps the people with the magical cervices have more in common with JKR than they admit.

Transwomen ie. Males cannot get cervical cancer. Cancer cells that may form in a 'neo-cervix' are not cervical cancer cells, they are cancer cells of whatever organ was used to create the area. A transwoman needing investigation in this area would not not able to go and see the practice nurse in the local GP and get a normal smear test, they would need someone specially trained to ensure an investigation had been carried out properly.

Biological science deniers are just so enmeshed that anything that does not include the transwomen narrative is immediately attacked.

Women in Ireland died because of a recent cervical screening fuck up that they tried to cover up. Breast screening is due to be resumed in September and I wonder how many women will suffer because of a late diagnosis.

As a slightly off topic point of interest, there is no name for the mucus that helps keep the vagina healthy. I do think vaginas are a wonderful biological thing. Those that have had bottom surgery, I do wonder if it's been explicitly explained that what the surgeons create will not act like a vagina.

This whole debate has been really frightening and depressing me so I’ve had to leave Twitter for a while. I had a look at this hashtag and it really cheered me up. It’s really exposed that misogyny and biological denial used to silence women talking about their own bodies and safety.
My favourite is the thread by Munroe Bergdorf instructing women to not discuss their biology when talking about feminism and stating that “not all vaginas are pink”.
It’s hilarious that this male bodied person thinks they are within their rights to dictate to women about feminism, what they can and can’t discuss about their own bodies and which women are permitted to be included in their idea of feminism. Combine that with the fact that Munroe clearly doesn’t even know what a vagina is and I’m feeling very validated today. They are being exposed for what they are. Misogynistic, uneducated bullies.

I do wonder if abnormal bacterial colonisation/surgical trauma plus known HPV risk could predispose you specific cancers of the neovagina as time goes on?

Quite possibly. It's not my area of specialist knowledge! And I'm sure as a pp said, it is outside the knowledge of most practice nurses and GPs.
I would think a urologist or maybe a trans health specialist would be needed.

On the subject of HPV men get various oral/throat cancers from HPV.
I suppose women could be exposed to it that way too, but I see quite a few men coming for treatment through my department, I haven't seen any women yet.

It's infuriating how the TRAs have piled in saying all like "do you realise transmen and NB people exist, and can get cervical cancer too? Excluding us puts us at risk"...

Uhhh..... Hello? You're female so not excluded at all you numpty.

There is no name for the mucus that helps keep the vagina healthy it's called cervical discharge isnt it?

These two tweets pretty much show the polarizing effect of this statement.

The fact that there are females out there who are so traumatized by their birth sex and that this has been left untreated by mental health professionals (probably because the focus has been on transitioning as being the ‘cure’) is very sad.

At what point do people have to acknowledge that they are responsible for their individual bodies and that body’s needs and be proactive. And that the transmen and NB people who deny their biology need to find some mental health care if they cannot deal with getting Pap smears.

As a practice nurse currently training to take smears, I find this really interesting. It's going to come up at some point, I know we will have trans men on our books who may need smears but won't get invited and I know if they do attend there may be difficulties with taking the smear if they still have a vagina as hormones may have caused atrophy. I don't even know whether I'm allowed to ask them if they still have their vagina!
Nothing was mentioned in our training, I'm worried I'll end up getting fired for making some fuax pas at some point! But I also want to make sure all my patients get the best care I can give and don't miss out on important screening.

This is batshit.

Yes, some trans men will need care. That's valid and their practice should have a means of sending adjusted reminders that are sensitive to those patients. As the small minority that they are they need thought, but how on earth should that small minority - not all of whom will mind being included in the women's category for healthcare purposes - determine care standards for everyone else?

The idea that a massive public health campaign that overwhelmingly - overwhelmingly - needs to target women shouldn't be allowed to do so, because of a tiny minority, is just astonishing.

And female is a sex class. If they're banning people even for saying only females get cervical cancer, then they need a dictionary. Trans women are not female. Trans men are. I thought the claim was that 'women' was an inclusive term, and male and female would remain the sex class terms? Are we no longer allowed sex class terms at all?

@Winesalot

At what point do people have to acknowledge that they are responsible for their individual bodies and that body’s needs and be proactive. And that the transmen and NB people who deny their biology need to find some mental health care if they cannot deal with getting Pap smears.

This seems to be an issue in of a lot of health care. The balance between state responsibility and personal responsibility. Informed consent and informed dissent are only valid if people are given enough information to make those choices (which is our responsibility as the health care providers) and the opportunity and environment in which they can choose at all (state responsibility).

Then there are issues of socioeconomic impacts on health choices and people's outcomes. More poor people smoke and have bad diets, then go on to have lifestyle related health conditions and shorter lives with poorer health. Is that personal choice and therefore their fault or is it a social issue that the state should tackle?

You can argue that people have a responsibility to take care of their own health, or not... But how far do you take that?

As a HCP I swing between the two a lot of the time, because of course we make choices that effect our health, but those choices aren't made in isolation or with full facts and choice is often an illusion.

Sorry, randomly musing off topic a bit...

So, that Bryn person from the screenshot says of transmen "they also don't get routinely invited (for cervical screening). It's a huge health inequality".

It's a huge health inequality caused directly by trans-activists insisting on medical records showing them as the gender they identify as, rather than their actual biological sex. If your GP has you recorded as a man then no, you won't get calls for cervical screening.

India Willoughy's off on one too - this is "bragging" apparently. Because every woman that has cervical cancer brags about it, just to piss transwomen off

@JemimaShore

So, that Bryn person from the screenshot says of transmen "they also don't get routinely invited (for cervical screening). It's a huge health inequality".

It's a huge health inequality caused directly by trans-activists insisting on medical records showing them as the gender they identify as, rather than their actual biological sex. If your GP has you recorded as a man then no, you won't get calls for cervical screening.

India Willoughy's off on one too - this is "bragging" apparently. Because every woman that has cervical cancer brags about it, just to piss transwomen off

I could have sworn that the last time I used twitter, India was against many of the TRA arguments, had reservations about GRA and was in support of JKR. I can’t seemed to find any of India’s tweets pre- July. Has there been a complete 180 and deletion of previous opinions? Now India thinks India has a cervix. Madness

"You're not making too much sense. Trans men aren't 'female'."

I just cannot believe this sort of thing, how can an adult with even a basic education say something like this?