Parents throw second gender reveal party for transgender child

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Apologies if there has been a post about this already - I didn't see one.

www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2020/07/11/mum-throws-second-gender-reveal-party-six-year-old-transgender-daughter-12976619/amp/

In a nutshell: little boy likes playing with stereotypical girls' toys. Ergo, boy is girl.

And it’s a big, big mistake to think homophobia is the preserve of conservative religious people.

When she began talking and expressing herself, I realised there was more to it. She would talk about wanting hair as long as mine and wanting to wear the same clothes as me

Children often imitate older people around them, they do it with siblings too. Also, why can't a boy want to have long hair? Honestly, these people make the Flinstones look like the height of modernity and progressive thinking. Why is the medical profession enabling them?

(Money, in the US at least a big part of the answer is money.)

@aliasundercover

De-trainsitioned, surely?

‚wanting long hair‘ wouldn‘t have registered one way or the other in our family, given that both I and DH have long hair. I do remember at one holiday location on a playground a German kid being adamant that my son‘s (bearded) dad couldn‘t have long hair because he was a man, all while long haired bearded dad was playing along with my son. Kids can be quite fixed in their thinking. Though that adult ‚gender reveal mum‘ seems to be stuck at the same place.

The C of E's trans bandwagon-jumping is disappointing. It is another example of an organisation that got it wrong on issues of sexuality and is terrified of repeating past mistakes. It opted to jump towards harming women without really thinking about it.

I know at least one female priest who feels unable to voice her concern.

Since my daughter has been able to talk she's wanted to be a dog... Still not taken her to the vets.

No, homophobia is not the exclusive preserve of Christians. However, like it or not, the mainstream church in this country is well tied to the trans machine, and many are doing it precisely because they think to do so is evidence of their anti-homophobic perspective.

It's a pendulum swing thing - reacting against the anti gay theology of more conservative views, they embrace every single progressive claim going with no critical thinking whatsoever.

Allnamesaregone

Well said. There are many examples of powerful/independent/business/thinking women in the bible, but certain types of religious people who know, don't want it to be to pointed out, and atheist types etc. don't want to believe it.

I think those who are GC will eventually be shown to raise the happiest homosexual children into adulthood.

Those who grew up in "gender-bending eras" eg Britain in the 70s/80s went care much for what you wear, but will have a firm grasp of biology.

In the same way that, historically, pink and blue weren't associated with 'girl' and 'boy' (if anything, it was the other way around), young children were all dressed in skirts for practical reasons right up until the late 19th century, even into the early 20th. None of this gendered clothing bollocks.

But of course those were old-fashioned, unenlightened people and we've come such a long way since then in terms of pink sparkly technology....

I don’t know if it’s true that ‘mainstream church in the U.K. is well tied to the trans machine’. What I’ve seen (usually from the C of E, which is only one segment of the U.K. church) is people keen to be seen to be supporting and respecting transpeople which they do by not probing into the issues and therefore appearing to believe the central tenets of transgenderism. This is what many posters on FWR do in their everyday lives.

Those who grew up in "gender-bending eras" eg Britain in the 70s/80s went care much for what you wear, but will have a firm grasp of biology.

90s too. Have they tried to trans Brett Anderson or the bloke from Placebo yet?

To expand further, many posters just stay away from the issues at work, among friends and sometimes even among family. They use pronouns to be respectful but that’s not to say they believe transgender ideology. This is kind of what the C of E is doing, focussing on respect and support they can give, which no-one can really disagree with. Yes, I believe the church should take a position of leadership on this but the Church of England has always been a bit wishy-washy because it’s holding together many disparate groups which arguably shouldn’t be held together.

Having read the article I think I am most taken aback by the professional they were seeking out saying that this ,gender identity‘ won‘t change any more if the child is consistent, insistent, persistent at age 6 or so? I‘m positive there are statistics showing that the majority of such kids will desist when going through puberty.

I mean, insecure parents trusting the ‚experts‘ is a big part of this.

God help any child with parents like these.

When my son was about 3 he announced he wasn’t a boy. He was a train. Thomas the Tank Engine to be exact. I said “right - can all the little engines get their shoes on ready for nursery”.

The C of E's trans bandwagon-jumping is disappointing. It is another example of an organisation that got it wrong on issues of sexuality and is terrified of repeating past mistakes. It opted to jump towards harming women without really thinking about it.

I think this is the whole reason for transgenderism’s stunning sudden conquest of so much of the world. As simple as that. Trying not to repeat an embarrassing mistake, governments etc dived headfirst into a new one.

Why does wanting to play with dolls and other 'girlie' things make you a girl? I wanted to play with Meccano and climb trees - but I was still very much still a girl. My great-nephew wants to wear pink and paint his nails - but he's still very much a boy.

Having spent most of my life trying to break down gender stereotypes, this sort of story really makes me sad and angry. Are we going backwards? Will children only have to look forward to the choice of being a downtrodden 50s housewife or a macho muscle man? Where's the freedom in that?

Idk. I am obviously against transitioning and for gender bending as the way less harmful Route in the long run. That said, I can imagine that in a conservative environment it may be harder for a pre-pubescent kid to live as a gender bender than to transition. I can imagine this pressure can become overwhelming even for skeptical parents. Particularly with the ‚experts‘ pushing the same way.

My nephew wanted to be a Pokemon at that age. Good thing there isn't surgery offered for that, eh?

What is more, most Christians who are aware of what’s happening are growing increasingly concerned at the erasure of woman and women’s rights.

Really? I don't think any religious group has a great track record in taking women and/or women's equality seriously!

thinking that their sex is not fixed at 2-3 years, followed by a phase where they observe gender stereotypes to a ridiculous degree at 4-5, which then relaxes again at about 6. (At least many parents in my circle had a similar experience.)

Please don't confuse sex with gender. Sex is what you are born with. Gender is how society treats you. They aren't the same

I did not confuse sex and gender.
I specifically referred to 2-3 year old kids thinking they might lose or grow a penis when they grow up. A developmental phase where kids think their sex is not fixed is described in scientific literature at that age.

And this phase is followed by a phase where kids will not play with X, if it is considered a girl/boy toy, will often insist gender typical hair cuts and clothing (which is clearly gender) and will then again become more relaxed about gender norms (which is, again gender).

So, what exactly is your issue?

I promise I'm not making up the trans support among left wing, mainstream Christians. And yes, obviously, I'm having conversations with leftie Christians who have misgivings, but they always want to stay private about it, and I know at least four or five influential progressive Christians personally who are absolutely fired up vocally about this, and I follow LGBTQ+ groups full of UK Christians of the same mindset. As mentioned,the intentions are well meant, and the hook up with LGB rights means people are petrified to do anything except completely, unequivocally support trans everything, lest they be seen as just like all those nasty traditional conservatives.

I've had conversations with Christian TMs where they have been having a go at Gay men for not being willing to consider relationships with them just because they are not physically male, trying to explain how jaw dropping homophobic this is, to no avail. I've tried to explain, in conversations about banning conversion therapy, that telling a woman whose husband has transitioned that she should stay and just be fine with being a 'lesbian' is exactly the same coercive, manipulative abuse, to no avail. In my experience, leftie Christians are possibly the most hardened of all the members of the broader cult mindset.

Interestingly, it was a thoughtful comment by a Christian lawyer on Facebook that made me originally start to question the whole 'brain in the wrong body' narrative.

I felt a bit foolish for just accepting the narrative in the first place. My quest ended up leading me to Mumsnet.