Parents throw second gender reveal party for transgender child

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Apologies if there has been a post about this already - I didn't see one.

www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2020/07/11/mum-throws-second-gender-reveal-party-six-year-old-transgender-daughter-12976619/amp/

In a nutshell: little boy likes playing with stereotypical girls' toys. Ergo, boy is girl.

What twats they sound.

My dd was a dog the whole year she was four. She sat in a dog shape on a cushion as she wasn’t allowed on the sofa. She made me put her water in a bowl. She only answered to her dog name. She talked in barks. She would ask if she was best in show after I brushed her hair for school.

Julie, who works as a nurse, and her husband Daniel, a lineman, thought Ella, now six, would eventually grow out of it and encouraged her to play sports such as baseball and tried to get her interested in her other toys.

However, when Ella threw her fists down in frustration, Julie knew that her child was transgender and took the family to counselling to try to find the best solution.

Riiight. So parents had very set ideas of what boys were supposed to be like, and their child didn't conform. Just like every single transition story ever it's all based in sexist bullshit.

And please, let's notice the latent violence obliquely referenced that meant the transgender route was chosen. This child has all the cues they need to learn that the world is deeply gendered, and that some fist action will get you what you want. That's a little TRA tantrum activist in the making right there, with a father who didn't want his son to have too many girly toys, and a mother equally as sexist, ready to enable it all.

I have read so many of these testimonies, spoken to so many trans people about their experiences, and it's never any different. It's always sexism. It's always prejudice. It's always peppered with fancies or outright lies. Most of it is sincerely meant, and the people in question rarely see it themselves. Which is why they think it's reasonable. It's not.

Ds2 used to walk around the house in a satin top of mine, it was a knee length 'dress' on him. He loved wearing my high heels too. He particularly liked my knee high brown boots as wearing one of them made him look like a pirate. And it sounded like a wooden leg if he wore it in the kitchen.
He went through a phase of insisting he was a dog called Jake. He refused to answer to his human name.
He has long hair now, longer and much nicer than mine.
Both DSs played with and breastfed dolls.
Both did dance classes
Ds1 loves to sew.

Neither like football. Or any sports really.

Im so glad no one ever transed them.

I can definitely remember as a child I wanted to marry my cat.

My 7yo is dinosaur obsessed and just asked for her hair to be cut short. She wants to be an explorer.
She also identifies as a witch and wants to go to Miss Cackles Academy.

So is she a witch or a boy? Or... A very imaginative girl who just wants to be herself?

Kenneth Zucker is a psychologist who helped get childhood gender dysphoria into the DSM. He’s now persona non grata because in his clinic he used to let the kids play with whatever toys they wanted, wear whatever clothes etc while counselling the kid and parents - but crucially he refused to affirm the child’s chosen gender (so he wouldn’t have called this child a girl). He observed that most kids desisted and were not trans as adults. Anyway, he noticed that a lot of the time parents and families were really weird about gender. Little boys would want to play with barbies and the dad would say no and try to get them to play with balls instead. There would be mums who really wanted a girl , on the other hand, and would push their child to wear dresses. Zucker just got the whole family to chill out and stop gendering activities and clothes so much.

It’s a shame because in the past at the very worst the kid would have been banned from wearing dresses (and that was considered a cruel therapy). Nowadays he faces hormonal blockers , cross sex hormones, and eventually surgery.

These people are fucking sick, there is no such thing as a trans child in the same way there is no such thing as a Christian child or a Muslim child, they don’t have the capacity to make these decisions or understand what they’re signing up for.

Were they never children themselves? Have they never met a gender non-conforming person before or did it not occur to them that different personalities like different things.

It makes me so angry because if the parents and the school affirm this then how will the child know they can change their mind or that they even have a choice, they have no frame of reference.

@WeeBisom

Kenneth Zucker is a psychologist who helped get childhood gender dysphoria into the DSM. He’s now persona non grata because in his clinic he used to let the kids play with whatever toys they wanted, wear whatever clothes etc while counselling the kid and parents - but crucially he refused to affirm the child’s chosen gender (so he wouldn’t have called this child a girl). He observed that most kids desisted and were not trans as adults. Anyway, he noticed that a lot of the time parents and families were really weird about gender. Little boys would want to play with barbies and the dad would say no and try to get them to play with balls instead. There would be mums who really wanted a girl , on the other hand, and would push their child to wear dresses. Zucker just got the whole family to chill out and stop gendering activities and clothes so much.

It’s a shame because in the past at the very worst the kid would have been banned from wearing dresses (and that was considered a cruel therapy). Nowadays he faces hormonal blockers , cross sex hormones, and eventually surgery.

Again - parents worried that their sons might be girls.

At that age how often is it the other way round? How often do parents worry that their six-year-old daughters are boys?

DS wanted to be a dog at one point - or rather he talked in dog barks sometimes and I used to answer.

Then he wanted to be a motorcycle policeman with a dog. Then he fancied being an ecologist. Then a games designer. Now he in interesting in finance.

Kids huh.

When she began talking and expressing herself, I realised there was more to it. She would talk about wanting hair as long as mine and wanting to wear the same clothes as me

This is an entirely age appropriate stage in childhood development. It's well known and very well researched that many children first identify with the main carer (often the mother) and seek to dress in their clothes and mimic whatever activities that parent does.

Also, up to about age eight, children believe that if a boy puts on a dress, he becomes a girl. So if a five year old boy puts on a dress, twirls and declares himself to be a girl, he's not expressing his "gender identity" (whatever the fuck that is) but he expresses his unshakeable belief that people are what they appear to be.

Only between the ages of eight and twelve do children learn to truly distinguish between reality and imagination, which is an important stage in their development.

Not a stage that child has reached yet.

My dd had doll's as a child but hardly played with them. 2 years later along came DS who loved dad's doll's and had an ironing board for Xmas when he was 3. I just let them share toys. DS did not show any feminine traits. He is normal adult male. Dd is a Mum of 2 and I'd such s good Mum. Leave kids alone to be kids and play.

I hate the thought of some parents pumping their kids full of opposite sex chemicals and clothing. It is sick.

When kids grow up they often go through various phases. When they are over 18 they can make their own choices.

So kid wants to be like mum or dad? Lord - Dad was an engineer and used to visit sites with his hard hat, wellies, clipboard and telescope and we used the play dress up with these. Much more fun than dressing up like mum (who was quite glam but didn’t have a hard hat, wellies, clipboard and telescope).

At that age how often is it the other way round? How often do parents worry that their six-year-old daughters are boys?

There have been a fair few threads where the op has expressed anger/upset at their baby girls being mistaken for boys.

There's been at least one case of those stupid bow things that parents buy and put on the babies head probably so the world can he sure to make no mistake about the babies sex , actually suffocating the baby.

Dd2 looked like a frog when she was born. If i was asked if she was a boy or girl I'd say but ofteh that old man/lady on the bus would just go " oooh isn't he lovely " no offence intended but that does seem to piss people off

I really don't know why so many people are so bothered about what they have and why they over think the child's entire life with regards to what they plan to buy to wear or play with or what activities to sign up for.

Far to much attached to trivialities. And besides ballet and gymnastics are not easy , anyone who can do it well is extremely impressive and they are fab base skills for football, rugby, boxing etc

It wouldn’t be as much of a problem if you knew that the child could eventually outgrow the parents’ ridiculous ideas around gender without harm, but the reason everyone here is rightly outraged is because this child has now been set on a pathway that will lead to harm from medical treatments. Only a significant revelation of its own or a sensible clinical approach - of which there aren’t many in the USA will prevent it.

I fucking hated dolls and pink things, and loved my brio train set and cars.

I despair at what adults would tell me about myself and do to me if I were aged 6 these days.

Why is Transgender Trend's watchful waiting approach considered so damn controversial?

The kid is SIX.

For fucks sake.

Remember when we would have threads on here where dads/mils were complaining that buying a boy a baby doll to play with would ‘make them gay’.

Do the same type of adults now believe that giving a boy a baby doll will ‘make them trans’ or ‘make them change sex’?

And I didn’t like dolls either - they scared the bejesus out of me (apart from automatons for some reason).

@NeutralJanet

When she began talking and expressing herself, I realised there was more to it. She would talk about wanting hair as long as mine and wanting to wear the same clothes as me

This is about as believable as a two year old Jazz Jennings supposedly saying "I want a vagina." These are not things that toddlers come out with.

My 2yo DS has on several occasions said “I wish I had a vaginula” mostly as he wants a mooncup. He also wants to wear makeup and dresses and sparkles, but that’s because it’s just more exciting and interesting to little people! Young Boys clothes are so boring. I don’t read anything into his comments... but two year olds can say it... along with “why can’t I pull off my hand?” And “I wish I was a girl and could have a baby” and “I want to be a dinosaur “.

A 6 yr old who is trans? I honestly think its a criminal mind-fuck.

Just let kids be kids and grow up to be who they will be FFS

This is shocking. That poor little boy is six years old. So what if he likes dolls and dressing up. He is far too young to have an understanding of what his identity really is, they're still in the very early stages of figuring that out at that age. Poor, poor kid is going to be so very confused as he grows up. The parents might be well intentioned, but it seems abusive to me.

When ds1 was little he adored hoovers and would happily push them around for hours. When aged 3 I asked him what he wanted for Christmas, he dragged me out of the toy section (where we were - silly me - thinking he might have wanted toys to play with ) and down to the Hoover section where he asked for a Vax, a Henry Hoover and a Dyson instead

Needless to say neither Santa nor I were generous enough to stump up for a single new vacuum cleaner, let alone 3!

But it does make me wonder how others would react if he was little now - would loving hoovering these days be deemed a stereotypical female thing? Amongst plenty of other toys of all sorts, e also had a baby doll - and a baby brother that he hw saw both his mum and dad looking after. So would that be seen as a female stereotype? Or a male, being a good father stereotype? As a female who loathes housework I’m certainly not going to tell my son that hoovering is for girls rather than boys - especially as he would happily ‘play’ hoovering for ages and learnt to be very careful if he wanted to do it for longer (method in my madness!) - now at 15 he sadly isn’t as keen to play hoovering as he was - football and fortnite hold much more appeal - but if it needs doing it’s a chore I can set him to do and know that he can whistle around the room quickly and efficiently and quite happily (against doing other chores - we are talking 15 yr old after all!)

@LittleEntrepeneur as a Christian myself I find the ideas of Christian parents pushing for transition pretty unbelievable.
Most Christians I know are really concerned about the trans teaching of children being able to chose gender. The bible says “He created them male and female”. There is only sex.
What is more, most Christians who are aware of what’s happening are growing increasingly concerned at the erasure of woman and women’s rights.
A good description of woman is found in Proverbs 31 verse 10 onwards. She’s not only a wife and mother but a shrewd and independent businesswoman - quite different from the stereotypical view of a meek and submissive Christian woman that many people hold.

WTF?! The professionals involved should be struck off.

[quote Allnamesaregone]@LittleEntrepeneur as a Christian myself I find the ideas of Christian parents pushing for transition pretty unbelievable.
Most Christians I know are really concerned about the trans teaching of children being able to chose gender. The bible says “He created them male and female”. There is only sex.
What is more, most Christians who are aware of what’s happening are growing increasingly concerned at the erasure of woman and women’s rights.
A good description of woman is found in Proverbs 31 verse 10 onwards. She’s not only a wife and mother but a shrewd and independent businesswoman - quite different from the stereotypical view of a meek and submissive Christian woman that many people hold.[/quote]
I agree.

I'm Christian too and 'transing away the gay' has not been my experience in any church I've been in or know about. This isn't to say it never happens, but it really isn't widespread (at least not in the UK).

Also agree on the point regarding submissive wives. The vast majority of Christian women I know have careers. Quite a few are the main earners. One or two I can think of are married to SAHDs.