Orwell Prize Winner Janice Turner’s latest article deserves its own thread

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/59a66a62-c2e8-11ea-ac82-8308736f5ec7?shareToken=ec44efc7f098f76d0a75ed74f472a978

The section about what happened in 2017 is shocking. But the whole article is Janice at her brilliant best.

I would also add that I read the Billy Bragg article in The Guardian, and not only was it a load of rubbish, but the comments were overwhelmingly in support of what Janice is saying here, showing the Guardian is way out of touch with its readership.

*What they are allowed to see creates what world they inhabit.

I don't think it's so hard to imagine that people at that time could have expressed dismay when society became more accepting of gay people, perhaps expressing horror or alarm that gay people would be sharing their changing spaces/toilets etc

Oh the irony. I suppose it you have swallowed this fictional tra talking point completely it's not worth bothering to understand actual gay culture pre and post legalisation which absolutely includes toilets as meeting places for anonymous and group sex.

www.vice.com/en_uk/article/av9zjg/gay-britain-uk-cottaging-sex-in-public-toilets-696

If guess a lot of people live very sheltered lives which is why these ridiculous tra myth's (written by straight men) take hold.

Owen Jones doing his normal thing of taking what someone has said, pretending they said something else, and then arguing against that. He's either extremely thick, disingenuous, or both.

"Get back to your full-time job of snitching on your colleagues" is brilliant. OJ would have been so at home in Stalinist Russia or postwar East Germany, shopping his own parents to the Stasi.

Get back to your full time job snitching on your colleagues. That has made my day. Has he asked her to retract that defamatory statement yet?

She has also retweeted Hadley Freeman and Jess Carter Morley we can guess who he has bullying.

What fantastic charities Janice has chosen to support.

Homosexuality is real because anyone can engage in same-sex sex.

Transgender is not real because no one can change their sex.

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The little shit is doing his usual whining. You can see that he’s seething with envy - no doubt he believes that he deserves that award.

He so daft he cancels himself when people don’t let him have his way:

She is magnificent

She is! wonderfully putting LOJ in his place.

Owen Jones doing his normal thing of taking what someone has said, pretending they said something else, and then arguing against that. He's either extremely thick, disingenuous, or both.

I don't think he's thick. I think he's blinkered, and absolutely disingenuous.

He hasn’t denied he bullies his colleagues yet.

I am not convinced that people on here are really pro free speech, just pro free speech when it agrees with them.

Most posters here are pro free speech and anti doublespeak.

Orwell is the prophet of our day.

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"Get back to your full-time job of snitching on your colleagues" is brilliant. OJ would have been so at home in Stalinist Russia or postwar East Germany, shopping his own parents to the Stasi.

I actually think it’s very revealing and chilling. Janice writes about how Guardian journalists views “can result in vicious censure from colleagues, even demands that they are sacked”. We know who’s leading the mob.

She is so fabulous, worth every penny of my Times subscription. And extra bonus points for taking down OJ.

Janice Turner's response to Lil OJ is EPIC!

Brilliant article, congratulations to Janice and thanks to NotBadConsidering for posting it.

Thank you Janice.

In my younger days I fantasised about meeting George Michael - you know, on the bus or something - and obviously he would be entranced by my wit and beauty (We didn’t know - it was the 80s ). Now I just want to meet Janice Turner and maybe she would laugh at one of my jokes

Thinking again historically about a time when people have been morally outraged at the thought of sharing spaces with a minority we can look at the moral panic and outrage in parts of the US when de-segregation measures began. Those white people genuinely felt black children in the same school as their own children was a threat, unacceptable, immoral even.

Sex segregation is hardly like apartheid though. I really hate when this comparison comes up, there are bloody good reasons for keeping males out of female spaces.

I know you are only basically typing as thinking, and seem new to the topic. But this one really winds me up as we have had so so many TRA types with the 'sex segregation is exactly like making black people sit at the back of the bus!' and such.

I didn't mean new to the topic as a bad thing btw. I have been where you are, atleast with the questioning if its anything like section 28 stuff and that. I came to the cnclusion that no, its not as its entirely different circumstances and that this trans ideology is infact homophobic in itself, and child transition is modern day conversion therapy. But yeah, you do think about it all a lot. I never did go through the 'sex segregation is like racial segregation' stuff though. As that seems just..bonkers to me.