Posie Parker

[Goldencurtain]

Ok, still quite new to this so I really don't know all the ins and outs...was just listening to an old spiked podcast with Posie Parker and Venice (forgotten her surname) and found it really interesting, then went on twitter and found a lot of people criticising them over some drama that I can make no sense of. Could someone fill me in on the reason for people disliking them / give me a balanced view on what's going on?

It seems like very few people even tried to answer the OP’s question. I know very little about any of the high-profile GC women but as I understand it, the issue was that Posie Parker was willing to join forces with right-wing organisations to fight for women’s sex-based rights, and others weren’t. Eg. I believe she visited the Heritage Foundation while in America, posed with a very far-right politician while in Norway, and has tweeted in support of Tommy Robinson. Though I don’t care whether someone is say, a Conservative or a Labour voter, I could never personally associate with those people because I find their views abhorrent. But I understand that she just wants to raise awareness and gain as much support as possible. I haven’t made up my mind about what I think of her yet but I must say I find her videos a bit rambling and incoherent and, for want of a better word, hysterical, which is understandable because she’s so angry, but they probably don’t make her the best spokesperson for GC women. Saying that, she’s sort of all we’ve got right now, so I do appreciate her very much! And of course the abuse she has received is absolutely despicable.

OP, I'm really sorry to hear about your traumatic birth. I hope you're getting the support you need and are healing.

I found motherhood a kind of 'hinge' experience' - it utterly changed absolutely everything about my life, pretty much overnight.

Anyway, regards Posie etc: If there's one thing (and there's many things) I've learned from this board it's to appreciate diversity of opinion and disagreement. I actually think our social discourse has become so dominated by 'bubbles' of right-think that we're increasingly unused to it. It can seem quite disconcerting at first, to hear people disagreeing -sometimes abrasively - and then hear them later on chatting again, or referring to something said by someone from a different political background.

It's great and sensible to be cautious, ask questions and do research. I suggest always looking for the sources these days - so much second hand opinion is distorted or slightly exaggerated, at least.

Something has gone a bit mad in the culture - we're supposed to pick a tribe or a side and stick with it, even if it's absurd, because we're aligned or identified with that political party/lifestyle/identity.

This is a space where you will find women being thoughtful, rude, shocking, hilarious, compassionate, silly, petty, brave, insightful and more. Most of all, honest.

Welcome.

as I understand it, the issue was that Posie Parker was willing to join forces with right-wing organisations to fight for women’s sex-based rights, and others weren’t. Eg. I believe she visited the Heritage Foundation while in America, posed with a very far-right politician while in Norway, and has tweeted in support of Tommy Robinson.

This is how myths are made.

Other feminists also work with right wing organisations. Janice Turner writes for the Murdoch empire, Julie Bindel has written for the Telegraph and the Daily Mail. So what?

The guy she was photographed with happened to be at the same event at her and came over to her and the photo was taken.

I'm pretty sure I'm in some photos of people I don't know.

As for the Tommy Robinson tweet, fwir she tweeted something along the lines of having been so misrepresented herself, she was now no longer sure if TR was as terrible a thing as he's represented as she's much more aware of the astonishing level of lies that are told about you if you step outside of acceptable parameters.

These incidents were used by TRAs and shamefully, other feminists, to paint PP as a raging racist right winger.

When in fact she's pretty much like lots of us - was dead straight labour left all her adult life until the trans issue.

I suspect she's in the process of reassessing everything she's taken for granted as many of us are and she's got no filter on expressing her thoughts, unlike many of us.

I've been disgusted by how some of the respectability politics feminists have treated Venice and Posie tbh. It's genuinely been an eye opener.

Oh sorry, cross posted with Spartacus

Well I obviously wasn't the only person who thought this might very well be a thread on which people might come on deliberately to diss women.

Whether the OP is genuine or not, as sure as eggs are eggs, someone will see it as an opportunity to dis women.

I genuinely think I'm getting wrinkles with all the yawning generated by this tedious predictability.

I think it's a bit of a shame to question "whether the poster is genuine or not" after my previous post. Actually to tell the truth I find it hurtful to hear you say so glibly that my reference to a recent traumatic birth is questionable. But then I guess I don't know what people have come up and made up before in the past so I shall try not to take it too personally.

For the others, thank you for your kind welcome. I am looking forward to the conversations, support, and learning what action I can take.

I’m not making a judgement about her actions or asking anybody to justify them, I’m just saying that that could be why certain people say certain things about her.

Hey op. I can't comment on Posie because while I know who she is, I haven't seen much of her stuff but I do know roughly her story - none of the other stuff mentioned in the thread though. I like her.

I can comment on having a baby though, and how it makes you feel after. I'm pretty sure I peaked soon after giving birth actually. And when I look at my daughter and then see what is happening I vow to change stuff for her. Which is why I'm on here keeping up with things, and why I write to MPs and stuff. I think sometimes it can be hard to come in to these boards because the conversation is ongoing, and sometimes it's hard to catch up and understand what everyone is talking about. I found that more on reddit I was confused about something that everyone seemed to already know. I'm sorry that you're suffering after giving birth, I do hope you heal soon.

Welcome Goldencurtain

I'm aware there are conflicting views on some aspects amongst many of the better known GC women. My personal view is that I don't think it's worth getting too involved in their disagreements as I'm aware my views have evolved the more I learn.

You will never agree with everyone here but you will find the posters here want to protect women & children (with the exception of the periodic ploppers, derailers and those looking for controversial posts to screenshot for twitter )

And there's a wealth of information backed up by links posted by the women here.

I would suggest you try and acquaint yourself with the rather odd MN rules about what we can and can't say, some of these are documented, many are not.

Also, am now watching Posie's latest video. The Daniel Radcliffe one was blistering. The one she's posted tonight is heartbreaking.

@Goldencurtain

I think it's a bit of a shame to question "whether the poster is genuine or not" after my previous post. Actually to tell the truth I find it hurtful to hear you say so glibly that my reference to a recent traumatic birth is questionable. But then I guess I don't know what people have come up and made up before in the past so I shall try not to take it too personally.

For the others, thank you for your kind welcome. I am looking forward to the conversations, support, and learning what action I can take.

I wasn't questioning your experience, OP. It wasn't a judgement call. It was whether you are genuine or whether you aren't genuine, people will take it as an opportunity.

Posie Parker has answered her critics a zillion times. Anyone, if they want to look, can find out what she has or hasn't said.

Asking other people to give you an opinion, will just provide an opportunity for more criticism.

I too hope you recover well from your traumatic birth.

If you have time, the Triggernometry episode where they interview Posie Parker is pretty good. The Triggernometry guys challenge her quite a bit on her position.

She is pretty hardline on the subject of trans people, but the more I read into this subject the more I see her point:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdpc2r4cBxQ

This is the Daniel Radcliffe one where she is so furious she's almost in tears. I suppose it's too much to hope he'll ever see this.

Posie is very courageous and watchable.

Beyond that, it's all a bit Judean People's Front, v the People's Front Of Judea, so it's up to you how much you care to dig into the distinctions.

We all roughly believe the same stuff. Most aren't into cancelling other feminists due to wrongthink. If you are, then that's your call. But don't think it's necessary.

Feminism is about and for all women, even right-wing christian fundamentalists. And how are you going to help those women, if you're not even willing to talk with them on a single issue we do agree on? Perhaps some of those women will discover we're not all baby-eating (female) bishops of Bath and Wells, but women perhaps like themselves, who might be worth listening to?

ALL women.........

@SomeDyke

Feminism is about and for all women, even right-wing christian fundamentalists. And how are you going to help those women, if you're not even willing to talk with them on a single issue we do agree on? Perhaps some of those women will discover we're not all baby-eating (female) bishops of Bath and Wells, but women perhaps like themselves, who might be worth listening to?

ALL women.........

This is a really useful reminder ☝️

Thank-you SomeDyke

@HarryHarry

It seems like very few people even tried to answer the OP’s question. I know very little about any of the high-profile GC women but as I understand it, the issue was that Posie Parker was willing to join forces with right-wing organisations to fight for women’s sex-based rights, and others weren’t. Eg. I believe she visited the Heritage Foundation while in America, posed with a very far-right politician while in Norway, and has tweeted in support of Tommy Robinson. Though I don’t care whether someone is say, a Conservative or a Labour voter, I could never personally associate with those people because I find their views abhorrent. But I understand that she just wants to raise awareness and gain as much support as possible. I haven’t made up my mind about what I think of her yet but I must say I find her videos a bit rambling and incoherent and, for want of a better word, hysterical, which is understandable because she’s so angry, but they probably don’t make her the best spokesperson for GC women. Saying that, she’s sort of all we’ve got right now, so I do appreciate her very much! And of course the abuse she has received is absolutely despicable.

There's so much bullshit in this post. Several well known Feminists have posted those separate lies here. I've seen the posts, quite a few of them really surprised me with their vitriol and spite. I've definitely changed my mind about many outspoken Feminists because of their nastiness to other women, mainly Posie. Posie Parker does not describe herself as a Feminist. She is not a leader of any Gender Critical movement. For me she's the person who opened my eyes to the TRA ideology. I follow her on Facebook and I've watched several of her you tube speeches. She most definitely is angry, but angry about the way women and girls are being treated. One more thing I'll say about Posie is that she's received a huge amount of abuse from so called Feminists some of it has been very personal but she's never retaliated.

Posie used to post here (under PosieParker iirc) so you can read her posts from years ago. She eventually got perma-banned for saying something I really didn’t think was particularly out there which is what finally made me have my ‘oh fuck’ moment.

I don't agree with HarryHarry's post- yes many people are uneasy about sharing opinions with people who've traditionally been on the opposite side about abortion, among other things.

Everyone is managing to negotiate that.

There have been separate, very personal, fallings out among a group of very strong willed people. That's all. No need to delve into people's personal squabbles. Rise above it.

Just a warning OP, there is so much rubbish and downright lies said about Posie and Venice, and then people like HarryHarry just repeat it casually as if it is no biggie to have your reputation and integrity trashed over again by random strangers who don't know jack. They are amazing and wonderful women. They have both put themselves enormously at risk, and have been rewarded by being shat on from a great height by professional feminists. Some random bloke (not a politician) came up to her and took a selfie with her in Norway. She's beautiful and a bit famous. People do that all the time to her. Then nasty fems and TRAs turn that into a mega-conspiracy that she's in with the far-right. Bollocks! Then in America a conservative group organise a conference for mothers of ROGD girls and lesbians to finally have a platform (the censorship of the 'left' in the USA is even worse than here. PP and Venice attend, in the audience, then suddenly she's 'formed an alliance with the alt-right' . She has spoken out about sexualising young girls and enforcing them to wear hijabs. As far as I am concerned that is FEMINISM 101. But this then gets twisted into she is 'racist'.

It's all completely tedious. Go with your instincts. These two ballsy women are bloody marvellous, and represent us grassroots, normal women and mothers far better than the (often) batshit professional feminists and academics who boost their careers by pissing on their fire and passion.

@Sunkisses

Just a warning OP, there is so much rubbish and downright lies said about Posie and Venice, and then people like HarryHarry just repeat it casually as if it is no biggie to have your reputation and integrity trashed over again by random strangers who don't know jack. They are amazing and wonderful women. They have both put themselves enormously at risk, and have been rewarded by being shat on from a great height by professional feminists. Some random bloke (not a politician) came up to her and took a selfie with her in Norway. She's beautiful and a bit famous. People do that all the time to her. Then nasty fems and TRAs turn that into a mega-conspiracy that she's in with the far-right. Bollocks! Then in America a conservative group organise a conference for mothers of ROGD girls and lesbians to finally have a platform (the censorship of the 'left' in the USA is even worse than here. PP and Venice attend, in the audience, then suddenly she's 'formed an alliance with the alt-right' . She has spoken out about sexualising young girls and enforcing them to wear hijabs. As far as I am concerned that is FEMINISM 101. But this then gets twisted into she is 'racist'.

It's all completely tedious. Go with your instincts. These two ballsy women are bloody marvellous, and represent us grassroots, normal women and mothers far better than the (often) batshit professional feminists and academics who boost their careers by pissing on their fire and passion.

Perfectly put.

Oh yes. Very perfectly!

These two ballsy women are bloody marvellous, and represent us grassroots, normal women and mothers far better than the (often) batshit professional feminists and academics who boost their careers by pissing on their fire and passion

Amen