Have you seen the new Bodyform advert?

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Just that really. Sorry if there's already a thread.

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/offbeat/bodyform-s-new-advert-breaks-period-advertising-taboos/vi-BB16hTmF?ocid=msedgdhp

I told my very woke, in his 20s son about it and he actually watched it. Granted, by himself, as sitting down to watch a long advert about periods, with his mum wasn’t an idea that thrilled him. 😁 I was so pleased when he told me it was amazing.

They really believe that T-ERF is a thing, despite us repeatedly pointing out that PhERF Is more accurate (anyone who is or has ever been a Penis-haver Exclusionary Feminist)

www.creativemoment.co/stop-giving-womens-health-the-silent-treatment

It is a trans man it’s confirmed here

@Randomfires

www.creativemoment.co/stop-giving-womens-health-the-silent-treatment

It is a trans man it’s confirmed here

Oh well, as the previous posters have said, so what? All XX women are affected by their female anatomy and it’s important that they are all included.

It's great that there's a transman included. Absolutely as it should be. It's an advert about wombstories, and the huge range of experiences and joys and suffering of being female. The trans narrative is overwhelmingly dominated by transwomen, so I'm very happy to see them represented here.

If it is top surgery, then the scars show what effect gender identity has on women's bodies. The pressures of what your body should look like and what happens to women who can't cope with their own physicality - it's tragic, but it is a female experience.

Theld - the wadded loo roll is for sure universal! I would add being paranoid and asking a friend to drop back when out in public to carry out an emergency 'leak check' -- the only time I ask someone to please check out my bum!

I’d add getting up at 3am to change the bed & dump my bloodstained bedding in a sink full of cold water.

Delighted that a transman is included in the advert as much as I am about all of the other stories told within it. Their experience and their scars are as relevant as mine or any woman’s (xx).

Yes, those sort of 'top surgery' scars are a uniquely female experience.

One of the reidentified young women at the Manchester detransitioners event said that part of her Detrans epiphany was that after her gender-medicine-hysterectomy she looked for advice and support on post-hysterectomy health and the only place she could find what she needed was in womens’ support groups...

...because a having a hysterectomy is a uniquely female experience.

It was this that made her realise that no surgery would make her into a man - she’ll always be a woman, with scars.

I will never forget her words, she is an incredible individual.

Yes, those sort of 'top surgery' scars are a uniquely female experience.

Yes and periods too. I think everyone here recognises that whatever transmen experience it's still part of life's wide range of female experiences.

The same applies to transwomen's experiences being just one example of a male experience.

I don't really understand why more people don't grasp this. It seems quite obvious to me. You can only experience being trans in relation to your birth sex.

Good ad!

It's so incredible - I've watched it many times now.

I can empathise with so many - I'm so lucky never to have had a miscarriage - but I can identify with the great sex, oh yes. And the being relieved not to be pregnant, and the joy of being pregnant and giving birth to three amazing babies, and I can sooo identify with the blood drops on the floor, and the dinosaur eating away at your womb. Some months I have to take my bed for a day because the pain is so bad. I find it hard to believe that anyone male envies me that! But apparently they do.

I have so felt that dinosaur biting and scratching away at my womb, and I would identify out of that if I could! - and I have pondered if any forensic scientists ever had the need to use that chemical/ultra violet light to detect blood traces on my bathroom floor, they would find the biggest blood bath ever - they would think multiple murders! - but it would all be menstrual blood.

I’ve watched it many times now. I also made a skeptical DH watch it and he was wiping away tears at it.

I don’t even use Bodyform as I’m a mooncup user, but when my daughter needs sanpro I’ll be going with the brand that seems to understand why we need it in the first place.

If anyone thinks that your average GC Mumsnet feminist would object to there being a transman represented in the advert, then they haven’t been listening to what we’re saying. I like it- it’s what inclusion actually looks like. The transman has female bodied experiences, even if that has distressed them to the point of wanting none of it, so their inclusion is fine, and presumably, as they were filmed, they were comfortable with it.

Women’s objections here are to being erased, replaced, talked over, airbrushed out in favour of male bodies. The advert does the exact opposite, so there’s nothing to object to- quite the contrary.

The only thing I slightly object to is that it’s dragged the conversation back to trans again, when it would be nice for once to just talk about women’s stuff ( and I’ve contributed to that!)

Transmen will use sanitary protection right up until they fully physically transition, so why wouldn't they be included?

I would have been confused if Bodyform were trying to promote their products to people with a penis.

Trans men will have a womb, they will have lived as a woman for at least sometime therefore they will have a “womb story” of course they should be represented in this ad

There was that transman in the news who stopped having periods when taking testosterone drugs but then wanted to have a baby so stopped the drugs, got periods back, got pregnant, had the baby, then went back onto testosterone drugs, stopped having periods again and called themselves the baby's father. Or at least wanted to. I believe the courts wouldn't allow it.

So yes, periods can definitely be very much part of a transman's life because being a woman is not about what you wear, what name you use, how you 'perform' or how you style your hair.

The one thing that all women share, throughout history, across cultures and all around the world are the experiences surrounding their reproductive organs.

And men cannot share that even if they have implants, surgery, drugs and body parts added or removed. They still won't share the one common experience of being a woman which is what makes us women. They are a different kind of man and should have all the rights and protections they need to live a safe and fair life.

But they should not claim to be women because they can't ever be.

Transwomen are different to women. That should not be a bold statement, it should not be controversial and it should not cause people to lose their jobs and receive death threats.

Transmen are not the ones threatening women, shutting them down, being aggressive towards them and trying to erode their rights. Thats why women don't have a problem with them. We are not physically threatened by them. I don't remember ever reading about a Transman hurting another woman.

That's a faux pas.
It should be a transman hurting a woman.

I agree it was right to include a trans man. I missed it the first time I watched it on my phone and wondered why they hadn’t included that experience.
Having periods is crap at the best of times so it must be extremely hard when you’re gender dysphoric. So I’m glad they actually did get included in the womb stories.

Also I need to add, I love the woman with the long boobs dancing at the end. She reminds me of this:

Yes! I also love long boob lady. Am about to hit my second year of breastfeeding my second child, so my breasts are on a relentless southernly trajectory - I can totally empathise with her!

@Mycatismadeofstringcheese

Also I need to add, I love the woman with the long boobs dancing at the end. She reminds me of this: