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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

This is not a woman?!

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decafjitters · 03/07/2020 10:44

I'm just slowly discovering that this is an issue due to reading some threads on here - I know this is from a few months ago but I just saw it on Facebook.

https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/blackpool-woman-admits-having-more-17788403

The headline says woman, all through the article says woman, but says 'she' is also known as John. Right Hmm

How is this allowed to happen? Is it counted in statistics as a woman?

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MaryRaddy · 03/07/2020 10:46

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decafjitters · 03/07/2020 10:49

I've just started reading posts on this feminism board and am totally appalled - brought to my attention by JK Rowling too, I feel like the world has gone mad without me noticing! So shocked.

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ScrimpshawTheSecond · 03/07/2020 10:50

More info on this case here:

www.womenarehuman.com/apparent-transgender-paedo-admits-to-over-80000-indecent-images-of-children-julie-ne-john-marshall/

And I'm not sure on how English police/courts are operating, but

www.scotsman.com/news/crime/police-scotland-criticised-over-allowing-suspects-self-identify-gender-1416288

Police Scotland will record male/female according to whatever the person wants. So yes, this would be recorded as a female crime.

MaryRaddy · 03/07/2020 10:53

@decafjitters you've summed it up very well there. Yes there's a real "madness" vibe isn't there?!
I am mostly a lurker on this board but it has really opened my eyes and thank god because it really feels like a place where other people feel like I do! You're not mad, do stick around and contribute.

whatsthatnow74 · 03/07/2020 10:58

I've also recently started reading this board and I'm horrified with the turn things are taking. Glad to have found such a great group though. For now, I will lurk and educate myself...

TinselAngel · 03/07/2020 11:00

If you've not seen this, it's a good place to start:

Break it down for me? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

decafjitters · 03/07/2020 11:08

Thanks @TinselAngel I will have a look now.
Just looking at my baby daughter and feeling worried for her!

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KaronAVyrus · 03/07/2020 11:14

This will be included in crimes women commit statistics. And then MRA types will
Use it as a gotcha moment and shout “women do it to” when you have the temerity to point out that most sex crimes are committed by men.
It’s a head fuck.

LetGoOfTheLittleDistractions · 03/07/2020 11:18

@KaronAVyrus

This will be included in crimes women commit statistics. And then MRA types will Use it as a gotcha moment and shout “women do it to” when you have the temerity to point out that most sex crimes are committed by men. It’s a head fuck.
Complete head fuck. I've been following this for years and it still makes my head explode. I'm glad you have joined us OP. The more sunlight the better.
whatsthatnow74 · 03/07/2020 11:30

Thanks @Tinselangel, plenty to look at there!

velourvoyageur · 03/07/2020 12:06

If people are writing to the paper to complain, which email are you using?

ThePurported · 03/07/2020 12:28

Most of the media are complicit in this. Julie Bindel has written about it
thecritic.co.uk/issues/january-2020/triumph-of-the-trans-lobbyists/

Extract:

"On 27 March 2018, the splash headline on the front page of theSunwas “Tran and Wife”. The paper reported that Hannah Winterbourne, an Army officer, had married Jake Graf, a film director. Winterbourne was born male; Graf was born female.

According to a subsequent BBC report on the story, the headline “faced a backlash online”. In the words of theNew Statesman, “TheSun’s transphobic front-page mars a couple’s wedding day.” The “backlash” reached parliament. The following month the Commons home affairs select committee summoned editors from theSun, theMailgroup and theExpressto account for their output on issues including transgenderism.

Paul Clarkson, managing editor of theSun, mounted a strong defence of the paper’s coverage: Winterbourne and Graf had approached theSunabout coverage, he said. They wanted the story to be printed. Warming to his subject, he then revealed more than he might have intended: “Every word, headline and image was passed by transgender groups pre-publication.”

Perhaps the significance of that sentence might not be obvious to non-journalists, but to those in the trade it is fairly shocking. The Sun, the biggest-selling paper in Britain and the baddest feral beast in the newspaper jungle, gave full copy approval to campaign groups.

Not that Clarkson was alone. Peter Wright, “editor emeritus” at Associated Newspapers and former editor of theMail on Sunday, said his group was very keen to have its journalists receive training and guidance from trans advocacy groups. Or rather, more training. “We have talked to them in the past and taken advice,” he told the MPs.

These admissions went unremarked upon and unreported. It suits none of the participants to admit that the supposedly mighty newspapers that are commonly accused by activists of whipping up a climate of transphobic hatred are, in fact, so meekly compliant that they let transgender groups vet their reporting and train their staff.

Where did theSunandMailget the idea to ask trans lobbying groups how to write about trans issues? I would hazard a guess that the impetus came from Ipso, the press regulator. ItsGuidance on Transgender Reportingincludes a list of “resources” for editors to consult: All About Trans, Trans Media Watch, Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence, and Mermaids.

With the exception of Stonewall, none of those groups is large. Mermaids has a full-time staff of three, whose activities involve lobbying politicians and the NHS to make it easier for children to get puberty-blocking drugs and cross-sex hormones. It also organises training events for dozens of public and private sector organisations.

That Ipso guidance was written in 2016, long before the emergence of organised women’s groups arguing that allowing men to “self-identify” as women and claim the legal status of women might well have some consequences for those born female. Even though those groups have plainly established that there is a debate here and that there are two sides to this argument, Ipso still concerns itself with just one side. Ipso’s message to editors is clear. Upset the trans lobby and you’re in trouble. Upset the women by ignoring their worries and nothing will happen."

MsMarvellous · 03/07/2020 12:44

Has there been a group complaint of any sort to the head of UK policing about the skew in crime statistics by the reporting of trans crimes as female crimes. I feel that there should be a formal campaign and would love to join one

ThePurported · 03/07/2020 12:49

transcrimeuk.com/2017/10/31/wendy-jones/

"All media coverage referred to Jones as a woman rather than a male who identifies as a transgender woman, despite the fact that the vast majority (95%) of people convicted of possession of extreme pornography are male. When challengedover reporting a male person’s crime as being committed by a woman, the Liverpool Echo court reporterconfirmedthey were obliged to respect the pronouns/gender identity of the offender. Similarly, when Somerset Live were challenged on reporting serious sex offences against children perpetrated byKira Leverton(a male who identifies as a trans woman) as being committed by a woman, theirresponsewas that their “story records how the magistrates court dealt with the case – it accepted that this person was a woman at the time of the hearing.” However, in November 2017 when reporting on a female offender who identifies as a man (seeJay Ferguson), the Liverpool Echochose to refer to the defendant in the article as a woman and used female pronouns throughout. So, one rule for using pronouns demanded by male defendants and quite another for female defendants (i.e. completely ignoring them), it appears.

The Liverpool Echoran a storyin October 2017 based on a Freedom of Information request noting the rise in convictions for possession of extreme pornography involving animals after discovering that 93% of people (162 of the 174 people charged) in Merseyside had such images. Farcically, the article also notes that all of those convicted were male – apart from Wendy Jones."

YgritteSnow · 03/07/2020 12:54

I genuinely believe that most women who bleat "Trans Women Are Women" simply don't know enough about what is actually happening - cases like this, sports being taken over, men in women's prisons etc - because it actually is so utterly ludicrous that they can't comprehend it being allowed to happen. Then they realise and are peak transed in a heart beat. That's what happened to me, it was hearing about the new Olympic regulations that made me wake up. I thought my friend was fibbing or had totally misunderstood when she told me.

Queenoftheashes · 03/07/2020 13:00

This is dismal

Surely people will start noticing though ?

decafjitters · 03/07/2020 13:04

@YgritteSnow what did you hear about the Olympics? I almost don't want to know, I have spent the whole morning googling and reading and becoming more and more shocked!

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Fairenuff · 03/07/2020 13:20

@Queenoftheashes

This is dismal

Surely people will start noticing though ?

We have been trying to tell people for years.

Welcome aboard.

Wannabangbang · 03/07/2020 13:20

Surely all that matters here is that this paedophile is locked up not whether they were or are a man or a woman. Women born female can be paedophiles too so i don't get why the angst about a gender. How about get some anger for what this person did!!

Fairenuff · 03/07/2020 13:21

Surely all that matters here is that this paedophile is locked up

In a women's prison?

YgritteSnow · 03/07/2020 13:22

The Olympic regulations were changed with no real research or discussion to allow trans women to complete in women's events, without having to have had surgery. They have to lower their testosterone but only to levels that are still higher than women. This was in 2016. There was an outcry and on going discussion but no one can agree because they're too scared of offending the trans lobby. Sp at the moment any man who says he's a woman can complete in women's events if he qualifies.

It's not just the Olympics though. All over the world men and boy's are identifying as girls and women and taking places on teams, prizes and scholarships that are meant for women.

Google:-

Lauren Hubbard
Andraya Yearwood
Terri Miller
CeCe Telfer
Fallon Fox
Rachel McKinnon
Hannah Mouncey
Kelly Morgan

Amongst others. Further reading:-

fairplayforwomen.com/campaigns/sports-campaign/

Siablue · 03/07/2020 13:25

I do think that this sort of reporting is harmful in every way. It is only going to increase transphobia. Who would want to be lumped in with pedophiles and sex offenders?

In no version of the world should we be letting child sex offenders choose which prison they go to. I do wonder who is lobbying for this it is very sinister.

ThePurported · 03/07/2020 13:33

Surely all that matters here is that this paedophile is locked up not whether they were or are a man or a woman. Women born female can be paedophiles too so i don't get why the angst about a gender. How about get some anger for what this person did!!

Statistics matter. It matters that some crimes are overwhelmingly committed by males. It matters in research and rehabilitation programmes, and it has safeguarding consequences.
If you want a discussion that focuses solely on the appalling nature of these crimes, feel free to start a new thread.

JinnyTheWitch · 03/07/2020 13:35

It's an odd world where some are so keen for paedophiles to get preferential treatment, and at the same time seek to make those crime statistics look bad for women.

littlbrowndog · 03/07/2020 13:37

Statistics do matter in almost everything the governments and councils do

The police in Scotland allow you to chose your gender when being charged

This makes crim3 statistics unreliable

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