This is not a woman?!

[decafjitters]

I'm just slowly discovering that this is an issue due to reading some threads on here - I know this is from a few months ago but I just saw it on Facebook.

https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/blackpool-woman-admits-having-more-17788403

The headline says woman, all through the article says woman, but says 'she' is also known as John. Right

How is this allowed to happen? Is it counted in statistics as a woman?

I wonder what would happen if someone bought a domain, set up a server, and recorded cases like this with peoples sex (none of this gender nonsense) for public perusal ?

Has there been a group complaint of any sort to the head of UK policing about the skew in crime statistics by the reporting of trans crimes as female crimes. I feel that there should be a formal campaign and would love to join one

I agree, but it has been going on for years.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3532109-Joan-McAlpine-MSP-now-asks-about-how-Police-record-transgender-criminals?pg=1

Barracker wrote:
"The London metropolitan police have been recording perpetrators of crimes by their self identified gender since 2009.

That's before the Equality Act existed.
Before 'proposed gender reassignment' was a protected characteristic. Yet, the police recorded male criminals as female at their request.

That's a lot of false crime statistics. An entire decade."

Thing is, it's so rare for actual women to commit offences like that, when it's reported that a 'woman' has been found guilty of some horrendous sexual crime everyone will suspect its a male identifying as female. That's not good for either women or transwomen. Transwomen probably commit crimes at the same rate as men, but their crimes stand out because they're reported as committed by women, and people take notice.

The problem is that people will start to assume that ALL trans women are like this. I read a headline that describes a sexual or violent crime committed by a "woman" and I assume that the perpetrator is a blurk. It doesn't cross my mind that it's a woman, not for a second. What it does make me think about is which poor cow who didn't pay her community tax is going to be shoved in a cell with him.

I assume I'm being lied to, and I assume that everyone is absolutely 100% prepared to lie. We know the police lie. We know the media lie. We know the men lie. We know the online community lie. I assume every blasted thing is a lie nowadays.

these are not our crimes

It also matters in sentencing. At least one judge changed the recommended sentence for a sex offender because he felt unable to send a transwoman to a sexual offenders program targeted at male sexual offenders, and a female sexual offenders program did not exist (for obvious reasons). So the male sexual offender didn’t have to attend, because he said he was a woman.
Of course it bloody matters. Rapists are being locked up with female prisoners because despite being a violent man in possession of a penis, they say the magic ‘woman’ word at any point.
Jeez.

@decafjitters

I'm just slowly discovering that this is an issue due to reading some threads on here - I know this is from a few months ago but I just saw it on Facebook.

[[https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/blackpool-woman-admits-having-more-17788403]]

The headline says woman, all through the article says woman, but says 'she' is also known as John. Right

How is this allowed to happen? Is it counted in statistics as a woman?

The article isn't clear: "Julie Marshall, who also has the alias John Robert Marshall..."

Could be a transwoman, a transman, or the alias could be in relation to the crime and have nothing to do with gender identity.

The article isn’t clear but it seems to be a trans woman from other articles-

transcrimeuk.com/2020/02/23/john-julie-marshall/

BigGee:
^I assume I'm being lied to, and I assume that everyone is absolutely 100% prepared to lie. We know the police lie. We know the media lie. We know the men lie. We know the online community lie. I assume every blasted thing is a lie nowadays.^

That's exactly how I feel too. This movement has undermined by ability to trust anything I read.

@Fairenuff

Surely all that matters here is that this paedophile is locked up

In a women's prison?

Seriously. And before you think 'well a pedo won't rape adult women' after being moved into women's prison, let me tell you about Matthew/Madilyn Harks.

*BTW that article was written last year. The prison released him again on a weekend pass and he escaped/went MIA.

So that’ll be a woman’s jail or let off Scot free then?

In Canada they are required by law to refer to trans women as she and her, so the ethical journalists started posting pictures of the perps so that people could judge for themselves.

Reporting this way isn't required by law in the UK but Stonewall got out in front of the law by doing the training and advising of the police and the judges so that women like Maria Maclachlan were ordered by the judge to refer to the male who assaulted her as she.

Remember, it is offensive to 'deadname' people or out someone as trans. I suspect the wording of 'alias' is to try and avoid that issue.

Usually there is a photograph of the perpetrator, which helps to work out what is going on.

And yes, OP, I am in a similar place to you. I had no idea how bad this all was until about six months ago.

The fact that our politicians (especially those in the SNP, Labour and the Lib Dems) cannot even begin to grasp this issue is horrifying.

@Queenoftheashes

This is dismal

Surely people will start noticing though ?

I have been on here I think 5 years trying to tell people. I noticed about a decade ago what was happening but could not find anywhere to discuss until I stumbled into here.

I've had to change my username multiple times and I hoped against all odds when the data breach happened that i wouldn't be doxxed.

It appears people will either immediately see the issues or the be kind to the trans kicks in and they defend defend defend. All we can do is keep raising the issues and hope that eventually they see.

Read the article and confused. Are we assuming it’s a woman,who also uses a male name, Or a man, who is self-identifying with a woman’s name?

I'm guessing the only way the writer was allowed to allude to this person's sex was by mentioning their alias.

It would make sense for the police to record both sex and gender surely?

I don’t understand why they don’t. How complicated would it be?

And yes, I too look for a picture now when I read about a “woman” being convicted of sexual assault and similar. I remember how naive I was a few years ago when I read a similar story, looked at the photo (which looked like a photo of a man) and assumed they must have put the wrong photo in the story.

Court records show 'gender' is male. www.womenarehuman.com/apparent-transgender-paedo-admits-to-over-80000-indecent-images-of-children-julie-ne-john-marshall/

Surely all that matters here is that this paedophile is locked up not whether they were or are a man or a woman. Women born female can be paedophiles too so i don't get why the angst about a gender. How about get some anger for what this person did!

So it’s OK for vulnerable women to be locked up with him is it?

He needs to be locked up for sure. In the prison that corresponds to his sex. A MALE prison

Honest data on who is committing which crimes is important

@Wannabangbang

Surely all that matters here is that this paedophile is locked up not whether they were or are a man or a woman. Women born female can be paedophiles too so i don't get why the angst about a gender. How about get some anger for what this person did!!

Please do provide us with statistics on how many women born female are convicted as paedophiles, @Wannabangbang. You will of course also provide the male statistics. Even with the distortion that comes from counting some people born male as women for the purposes of the crime stats, I think you'll find that at least 97% of those convicted are men. I believe researchers have also identified that the great majority of women convicted of these offences were acting with or at the behest of a man.

This stuff really matters when it comes to safeguarding and research into the causes and effective treatment of sex offending.

Surely all that matters here is that this paedophile is locked up not whether they were or are a man or a woman. Women born female can be paedophiles too so i don't get why the angst about a gender.

It's about sex, @Wannabangbang. Physical sex. Male prisoners should be locked up with other men. Putting a male sex offender in the female estate is totally wrong. Those women deserve better than that. Being deprived of their liberty is the punishment, not being locked up with some sexual predator

Women born female

Love the absolute bullshittedness of this sentence.

Like most others I read "woman commits long list of bizarre sex crimes" and assume the "woman" in question was born with a penis. There will be some misogynists who're all "see, women do it to!" but most people are going to read something like that as such an obvious man bites dog story that they'll be looking for the cracks through which it's possible to figure out what actually happened.