TWAW

[Billi77]

Thought it might be an idea to start a thread for women who support TWAW. I understand ‘Feminism chat’ should also include us and give us our own space?

10. The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

Rules of Misogyny.

@BigGee

I'm amazed how often these statements end up with the default "boo hoo you're all bullies for not believing in my fairies" snivelling.

Such sexist claptrap. I'm ashamed of you OP.

Wow. Again, it’s the ‘tone’. I have not said I have been bullied, just that the tone of many of these posts is extremely goading, like that of bullies. I’ve been parenting, working and home-schooling alone all day and just got back to this. I very much appreciate reading a lot of these posts. Again, I don’t agree but am willing to listen to other views. Thank you the many reasoned and well thought out responses and questions . I will now continue to read and try and block out things that sound like the quoted. But It’s really no wonder women who try and ignite a dialogue about a hugely important polemic choose to just leave mumsnet.

prolefeed much respect for your work to respect the dignity of women. In all sincerity, that kind of on-the-ground, quiet, practical effort brings a lump to my throat, tbh.

There is no magical number of female victims that will ever matter. They are revealingly tragically irrelevant to the ideology.

TWAW.
Shut up bigot that will never happen.
That happened but she wasn’t a real TW so it’s irrelevant.
TWAW.

Why do transactivists and trans allies endlessly claim that they have high rates of suicide and murder and cite the pain of being "misgendered" which we're supposed to fall over ourselves to sympathise with, but when women talk about sexual or domestic violence or FGM that they have actually experienced they are accused of "weaponising their trauma to be transphobic"?

prolefeed much respect for your work to respect the dignity of women. In all sincerity, that kind of on-the-ground, quiet, practical effort brings a lump to my throat, tbh.

YY. I'm not sure if it's you, but this has been posted about before and I have stated before that sharing a room with a male would have broken me, going straight to university accommodation at 19 from an abusive relationship. Thanks for everything you are doing.

'leveraging your trauma to justify transphobia is unkind'

• Morgane Oger, to a woman campaigning to stop FGM

prolefeed
I hope you manage to keep doing what you are doing. Thank you.

You don't like my "tone", OP???

Tough.

If you don't have a good argument against the content you have to police the tine. It's like there's a script.

*tone.

Thank you for sharing your experience, Prolefeed.

Curious to know what the posters who genuinely believe TWAW think of it.

Prolefeed, that must be torture for you. My heart goes out to you and every distressed youngster who has come to you for help. That is barbaric.

If you don't have a good argument against the content you have to police the tine. It's like there's a script.

Yes. It's always telling when people do that.

I’ve posted it a few times under different usernames. I name change regularly because I need to keep my job. 🤷‍♀️

But It’s really no wonder women who try and ignite a dialogue about a hugely important polemic choose to just leave mumsnet

What I've said right from the beginning - that there's no wonder people don't usually engage or if they do they give up.

I've had a TW tell me in this feminist section that my infertility was less tragic than theirs because at least I had a womb. They're a father.

Woman is a discrete biological sex class. We had to fight for our own spaces for safety, privacy and dignity. We will not submit.

I won't BE a woman

Yes, you will. You don't magically stop being a woman if trans women are accepted, I find that an utterly bizarre thought process. I'll still be a woman, just because they are too doesn't mean I'm not anymore.

Maybe they give up because they can't answer the questions being asked without a total reevaluation of the position they've taken up to now? Maybe they need time to actually do research and reach their own conclusions? Maybe they don't want to consider any position but their own, and just came here to correct our thinking, and gave up when they realised it wasn't happening? There are loads of possible reasons but hey, why not leap to the predictable, huh?

I had to share a room in my first year at university, but it was 1976 and the number of TW in the UK was tiny. If, however, the door had opened and it wasn't the lovely woman who is still my good friend decades later but a male who identified as a woman, I'd have been terrified. I shudder to think of the poor 18 year olds that this might actually happen to and am enraged by the woke system that appears to think it reasonable and acceptable.

I said "18 year olds" - the age of the poor woman placed in this position might be different.

It’s a bit like offering someone a sweet from a bag. Expected behaviour is that the person being offered takes one or two and says thank you. It’s not expected to have the whole bag ripped out your hand while being screamed at to apologise for having sweets and forced to agree they belonged to the other person all along.

Great response on Twitter to the trite "Rights Are Not Like Pie" crap said by people who blatantly ignore the huge conflict of rights in this issue, even when women are saying that there is one:

I've had a TW tell me in this feminist section that my infertility was less tragic than theirs because at least I had a womb. They're a father.

Oh god, WrongSide that's disgusting. I'm so sorry that happened to you. What truly feminine empathy

But then, my stance is also unacceptable here, as I believe TWAW

Nellie....can you explain, please, what a woman is in your mind?

And what cis woman?

You see I'm quite confused with how you imagine that males are women. What makes a male a woman?

Is a woman just a set of stereotypical behaviours, or what?

Not sure what I'm getting at here really, just trying to find a voice or learn what needs to be done in the name of progress and safety for all

There can be no progress unless we are all clear what a woman is - apart from a set of imagined behaviours of feelings in someone's mind.

As to the 'safety' issue......third spaces.