@Kit19
if TWAW no debate
anyone who says they are a TW is one
you dont get to say they're not just because you think they're to paraphrase 'mad bad and danerous to know'
acceptance with question
if karen white says they're a woman then they are
if J "wax my balls" Yaniv says they're a woman then they are
if Pip Bunce says they a woman 3 days a week then they are
If Kate Dolawski says they're a woman then they are
we cant tell (to quote you) "mentally ill rapists" apart from TW because guess what? men presenting as a woman dont have signs on their head sayng "Im a rapist" or "I'm lovely"
if TWAW because they say they are then they all are not just the ones we like
and that's the bloody problem!!
Yes.
The lack of critical faculty and the cognitive dissonance is quite something to behold.
It really is not difficult to grasp that c follows b follows a.
Except apparently that really is an extremely difficult notion for quite a number of people. Abstract reasoning ability is woefully lacking, and so glaringly obvious in its absence.
If TWAW in law, then all TWAW. You cannot have it both ways.
There is a reason why women are having to push back so forcefully on this.
It’s not about those men who aren’t predatory, rapists, killer. It never is.
Tens of thousands of women and girls in this country are harmed in some way by men every year. Millions and millions throughout the world. Those men should not be allowed into women’s spaces, regardless of how they identify, what they feel like, what they want, how they look or choose to dress, or what title they have thought of to describe themselves, or misappropriated.
As there is absolutely no way of sorting the good from the indifferent from the very bad indeed, all men must be excluded.
Even if there was a way to sort and define and establish that all the relevant men were good, decent, kind men, they still should not be allowed to enter women’s spaces, because a male presence, however benign, is very directly harmful to a certain number of women. A male presence, however benign, is not comfortable for women and girls in their very private, vulnerable spaces. Decent men all know this. Which is why they do not want to be in women’s spaces.
It makes no difference what the individual thinks or feels or wishes to be true. It does not make it true. It does not negate biological fact, nor material reality.
It does not matter how they dress, what they look like, whether they have taken hormones, had surgery (very few do, in fact) or whatever else the case may be.
Sex matters. Biology matters. Objective reality matters.
Women do NOT have to have suffered sexual abuse, predatory behaviour, violence, rape or in fact any harm at all, in order to be entitled to protection from potentially suffering those things. It is enough to say no, I am not okay with this. I do not consent. My daughters do not consent. My sisters, my mother, my friends, women I don’t know and will never meet, do not consent. NO.
Women do not want men in their spaces. The vast majority of men do not want to be in women’s spaces.
That does not take away from the rights of transgender individuals. They have every right to live peacefully without fear from harm. But they cannot gain that end by appropriating spaces that are sex-segregated in order to protect women’s dignity, privacy and safety.
Even if you no longer have a penis, you are biologically still a man. That truth might be painful, but we all have to deal with many painful truths.
You are entitled to a safe space; you have a right to peaceful existence without harm or fear of harm.
But you are not entitled to my safe space and my protections in law, nor those of my daughters, nor those of any other woman.