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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowling responds to pathetic Labour MP

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BaronessSnippyPantsofCroneArmy · 28/06/2020 16:59

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1277263814552100866?s=20

Bloody good woman

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PurpleCrowbarWhereIsLangCleg · 30/06/2020 08:35

It's possible that I'm over-estimating Keir Starmer's wiliness, but I absolutely think he's playing a waiting game over this.

Being lukewarm about trans rights/not signing lunatic pledges gives enough hope to GC women that we don't dismiss him out of hand. & sure, Labour has a mostly 'older man' problem, but those older men have wives & daughters & granddaughters.

Meanwhile, anyone with eyes can see that the TRAs are batshit, misogynistic cranks AND more importantly if you're a politician playing the long game, if you leave them alone they eat each other.

If I were KS I'd be letting BJ take all the flak, mumbling soothing but meaningless platitudes about 'complex issues...listen to everyone...two sides...blah blah blah'.

Wait until public opinion is firmly against GRA reform - & the more sunlight, the less support it has - & then, without too much fuss, move to offer third spaces & maybe some increased anti discrimination measures like it's all his idea.

He's got a couple of years to bed in. Last thing he needs is for this to become Labour's civil war - he's seen how foregrounding it worked for the other leadership candidates.

AbsintheFriends · 30/06/2020 08:42

Not sure that this is the right thread, but something positive in the light of the week (year?) JKR must be having - Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone won one of the most prestigious UK book industry awards last night - best book of the last 30 years. And how poised and gracious JK is in her acceptance speech (ceremony was virtual of course.)

twitter.com/rowlinglibrary/status/1277720974335582208

Comments are overwhelmingly positive, except for the ridiculous mantra gif, which appears like some sort of dystopian brainwashing tool early in the thread and is just an embarrassment to the TRA cause.

Congratulations JK!

RoyalCorgi · 30/06/2020 08:42

PurpleCrowbar - what you say makes sense. I hope you're right. I take heart from the fact that Starmer seems pretty bright, which Corbyn wasn't.

In the meantime, let's keep up the pressure. I sent a polite email to the Labour Party yesterday pointing out that women make up 50% of the electorate, and it's really not a good idea to piss us off if you want to win the election.

teawamutu · 30/06/2020 08:46

@AbsintheFriends

Not sure that this is the right thread, but something positive in the light of the week (year?) JKR must be having - Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone won one of the most prestigious UK book industry awards last night - best book of the last 30 years. And how poised and gracious JK is in her acceptance speech (ceremony was virtual of course.)

twitter.com/rowlinglibrary/status/1277720974335582208

Comments are overwhelmingly positive, except for the ridiculous mantra gif, which appears like some sort of dystopian brainwashing tool early in the thread and is just an embarrassment to the TRA cause.

Congratulations JK!

Oh that's lovely! And good to see the judges have more courage and integrity than those at the Booker.

Congratulations JK! I might have to write again.

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2020 09:27

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/29/tories-culture-war-voters-statues-churchill-red-wall-labout?__twitter_impression=true
The Tories want a culture war – but most voters aren't thinking about statues or Churchill

Brexit is not the only possible culture war in town. Some have suggested that No 10 is actively looking for a fight on cultural and identity issues, seeking to drive a distinction between Tories and Labour for red wall voters – whether on statues, trans issues, or the right to tell offensive jokes.

On the surface, this approach feels like it might work. Paula Surridge of Bristol University has shown that 2019 Conservative voters are united in their social conservatism, while Labour is more vulnerable as its voters are split.

But polling on these issues sets up a divide that might not be at the front of people’s minds. Britain is not the US, where polarisation among politicians has translated into polarisation among the public. In focus groups I have conducted over the last few years, statues, transgender toilets and no-platforming barely register. Most people do not know what “woke” even means. Views are also more mixed than many assume – in my focus groups, people criticised both protesters and Dominic Cummings for breaking lockdown rules, not one or the other.

For the sake of Labour’s electoral fortunes, if the Conservatives do pursue a culture war, the opposition should not take the bait. Years of prominence may mean that, as in the US, the debate becomes embedded in the public consciousness – and as Surridge’s analysis shows, that will be to the advantage of the Conservatives.

Tony Blair recently said the Labour party must avoid launching “politically into a kind of culture war”, and that the party would have a far better chance of delivering social progress if it bided its time and changed things from office. It already looks as if Labour may be learning this lesson. Two weeks ago, the Sunday Times splashed on No 10’s plans to scrap an amendment to the Gender Recognition Act that would have allowed people to change their gender on their birth certificate without a medical diagnosis. It had all the makings of a week-long row, but Starmer sidestepped the issue. The beat of the Conservatives’ culture war drum quickly died out.

dayoftheclownfish · 30/06/2020 10:13

Good article. But what Starmer will do if Labour get in is hard to tell. Here's a good thread on his politics:

twitter.com/HzBrandenburg/status/1276532775403900928

Regarding women's rights, the Tories would be foolish not to press for a culture war. All they have to do is ask Labour politicians to define women and watch them squirm. There is also the international context - the TRA movement is highly networked and embedded in international organisations, multinational corporations, tech companies and global culture. Starmer will not be able to just park the issue, I think.

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