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Glinner

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Newjobnewstart · 27/06/2020 07:18

Has been suspended from twitter. He has been a great ally - as you can imagine there is a bit of a party going on over there.

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AnyFucker · 27/06/2020 20:24

Still waiting to see that apology....

TornadoOfSouls · 27/06/2020 20:52

I think we were all supposed to agree, shrug and go ‘because men, right? Ha ha ha’

LillianBland · 27/06/2020 20:53

Blimey, the misrepresentations and lies about what peters are saying, are coming think and fast, aren’t they? Mind you, they usually start out pleading with us to be kind (no matter what words they use, they all mean ‘be kind’), gradually slide into misrepresenting (lying about) what posters are saying, then finish up with us all being told that we’re horrible people. Meh! 🤷🏻‍♀️

LillianBland · 27/06/2020 20:53

Peters = posters

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/06/2020 20:55

Thanks for that delightful comment @IfNotNowThenWhen2

What about your delightful comment?

ChattyLion · 27/06/2020 20:57

ShyPhilosopher said: Trans women have been allowed in female changing rooms, toilets etc for around a decade. There hasn't been a spike in crimes due to this, in fact most people didn't even realise it was already happening.

Hmm really? ‘Around a decade’? What does that date back to.?

Of course we have realised it is happening. Men being in women’s toilets is a violation of our personal boundaries. We absolutely realise every time it happens but it’s just that we are told we are unkind, non-inclusive, selfish, exclusionary, dangerous, violent, and whatever other rubbish besides, if we object to it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/06/2020 21:00

Trans women have been allowed in female changing rooms, toilets etc for around a decade

Nothing happened a decade ago legally to "allow" this. It's not in the EA 2010 that males can use women's spaces. It's overreach by trans activist lobbying groups.

CaraDune · 27/06/2020 21:07

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Trans women have been allowed in female changing rooms, toilets etc for around a decade

Nothing happened a decade ago legally to "allow" this. It's not in the EA 2010 that males can use women's spaces. It's overreach by trans activist lobbying groups.

Yes - the Equalities Act, if one reads the Schedules at the end properly, allows for precisely this sort of exemption - facilities can be divided by sex (not legally acquired gender) if it can be demonstrated that there is a proportionate need.

Thing is, 10 years ago there were very few transwomen pursuing actual reassignment and wanting to get a GRC. I remember one who used to post on here, talking about how swimming was something she really missed, because she didn't feel comfortable that "tucking" would lead to convincing results and hadn't yet had surgery - and she knew that women in changing rooms, even with cubicles. That was the reality back then.

What a small but noisy minority of TRAs seem to want now (and I don't thihnk this is reflective of the majority of transwomen) is the "right" to come into any female space, including an open plan changing room with no cubicles, and wander around with their penis out where women are naked. As I say, a minority, not reflective of the majority who wouldn't feel comfortable doing this... but it's the minority I'm worried about.

I can think of three swimming pools near where I live which have open plan changing rooms - one of which is a small, community run pool which couldn't afford the cost of remodelling its changing rooms, the other two very old (and again, probably not able to afford remodelling).

7Days · 27/06/2020 21:20

It's only a minority that would dream of it.

But it's the social erosion of boundaries that upsets me tbh.
If you cant say, Sorry mate you're in the ladies!
Think of nightclub toilets in that scenario.

If a guy was getting a bit handsy on the dancefloor you could always escape to the loo and it would probably have blown over by the time you got back. I used to go to places wheres drunk young men would literally line the corridors outside the ladies. Imagine if they were allowed to follow you in.

TehBewilderness · 27/06/2020 21:36

I would like the admin team to change the text color to white so that they have to be highlighted to read instead of deleting them.
I understand it is a liability issue and that MN removes them so they will not be held liable for what users say. Still I wish there was another way.

I am not a Glinner fan, and in fact reported an OP of his where he called us names in the OP. I suppose it was a joke and as everyone here knows I cannot take a joke.
Nonetheless I am outraged that twitter welcomes sexual predators while banning any who name the behavior.
Retroactively banning someone based on new guidelines is insulting to users.

TehBewilderness · 27/06/2020 21:38

Nothing happened a decade ago legally to "allow" this. It's not in the EA 2010 that males can use women's spaces. It's overreach by trans activist lobbying groups.

The males got out in front of the laws they wanted by bullying women. I'm sure everyone is so shocked.

GinUnicorn · 27/06/2020 21:50

@Glinner very sad to see what happened. I really appreciate you speaking up and followed your posts on Twitter. Sadly as with disappearing likes on JK Rowling I suspect Twitter has an agenda

TehBewilderness · 27/06/2020 21:51

but the language used is then harmful to all trans people.

We talk about safeguarding our children and grandchildren and you claim that harms trans people. You do yourself the harm when you claim that the shoe fits all trans people. Then you blame us for what you have done.

Thelnebriati · 27/06/2020 22:04

I would like the admin team to change the text color to white so that they have to be highlighted to read instead of deleting them.

Thats a good idea.

prolefeed · 27/06/2020 22:10

This week I saw a funding plea for a 16yo autistic girl trying to raise the money to replace the breasts that she had cut off at 15 years of age, having been encouraged to believe that ‘transition’ to the opposite sex would solve her discomfort and mental health issues.
15.
They cut her breasts off.
No therapy. Pop you on meds, get yer top surgery booked.
This is an abusive ideology that autistic children are more vulnerable to. I am appalled that as the parent of an autistic child, shyphilosopher believes that she should be MORE welcoming of this ideology.
Raising a disabled child myself, I’m more PROTECTIVE and guard against my child being swept into bodily destruction and lifelong medication.
Jings.
Even the Tavi are having to consider that co-morbidities should really be considered before affirmation.

prolefeed · 27/06/2020 22:13

I’m not a glinner fan either (sorry mate) but I respect his willingness to step up where other men won’t. And I object to being accused of fangirling around a leader. I have my own mind where my own rights are concerned.

slipperywhensparticus · 27/06/2020 22:17

If he is sending out dick pics can I be included please it's been awhile I would like to see what I'm not missing 🙄

My child totally believes twaw and everything people tell her at pride she came home trying to reeducate me about transgender issues instead I've been educating her

She has gone off Harry Potter and is giving away all her slytherin stuff because she has now decided that jk Rowling isn't a very good writer I laughed at her pointed out its fantasy she said she was not certain linear and her cannon had flaws in it Hmm

She believes we have all be sent dick pics I had to assure her I had not her concern was quite sweet

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 27/06/2020 22:19

She believes we have all be sent dick pics I had to assure her I had not her concern was quite sweet

Oh bless her

ListeningQuietly · 27/06/2020 22:20

Just to add balance

Boireannachlaidir · 27/06/2020 22:24

[quote GinUnicorn]@Glinner very sad to see what happened. I really appreciate you speaking up and followed your posts on Twitter. Sadly as with disappearing likes on JK Rowling I suspect Twitter has an agenda[/quote]
Twatter definitely has an agenda. It goes much deeper than this. I don't blame individual "trans" "people" for this either.

Glinner was a force for good on there in amongst the cesspit of crazies. The tide will turn but I fear it's all about who has the most money.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 27/06/2020 22:34

[quote ListeningQuietly]Just to add balance

[/quote] Could you give a one line precis for those of us who can't watch right now?
ListeningQuietly · 27/06/2020 22:40

wrongside
If you are not used to Jonathon Pie its hard to explain
but suffice to say he and @Glinner probably get on rather well Grin

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 27/06/2020 22:40

Thanks LQ I shall look at it tomorrow morning. Grin

Institutkarite · 27/06/2020 22:51

@AskDan

Scrimpshaw - next time someone threatens my life, I will stop to wonder what trauma they have been through, because that is the decent thing to do.
So when a person is standing in front of you and they are pointing a gun at you. You'll ask them what trauma have they been through. Someone picks up a metal bar to smack you in the head, you'll say what terrible trauma have you been through. When a man is trying to rape me I'll ask him what trauma he's been through. So by your reckoning any fucker that tries to harm me and damage me must have gone through some trauma. So I should just let a random person destroy me? FUCK THAT
BoreOfWhabylon · 27/06/2020 23:08

I asked MNHQ about the mythical dick pics.

They say no one has reported any such occurrence.

And we know that if such a thing had happened* it WOULD be reported.

*If it were possible to attach pics to PMs