No, Dr. Harrop, I don't want a "cis women" bathroom.

[WombOfOnesOwn]

Why?

Because it would be trans exclusionary.

Not of the penis-possessors who would be upset at being left out. Of the vagina-owners who are very clear they are not "cis women."

My feminism has room for the female human beings who have been so impacted by the cruel gendering of society that they feel they can't fit into womanhood. My restrooms have room for these individuals to change a tampon or pee without the penis-owners causing them undue risk.

Now, I know that this inclusion may make some people angry, because these are female human beings who do not wish to be included in the category "woman" and yet I am grouping them together. I suppose this makes me a Trans Inclusive Radical Feminist, since I center female human beings. It wouldn't make sense to call me the "E" version unless my focus was on biological males instead, who, after all, only make up one segment of trans people.

I am proud not to exclude my trans brothers and biologically female non-binary siblings from the spaces female human beings fought to use free of the oversight of male human beings. I won't accept a women's room that gives them no refuge.

I'm with you womb

As another poster on another thread said , my feminism is also inclusive of those who may not want it or thank me for it , everyone born female who's life has been shaped by being female.

I'd rather they had the safe space and had the choice not to use it than had than were excluded from it and had no where when they needed it.

Thank you. I hate , in a rather none rational fear and disgust sort of way , being given the choice of sharing with Male bodies or agreeing to be cis gender .

Yeah, as much as the nasty man insisting on third spaces is ridiculous evidence of his stupidity and lack of understanding, I will not be excluding any female from female provision anywhere,even if they reject their femaleness.

Harrop can, as ever, fuck off.

Fully joining the solidarity of being here and for the support of any female.

Y'know, I hadn't been paying attention to this arse so hadn't really spotted what he's been saying lately so this point went right over my head.

Yes, transmen, particularly those who don't pass, are completely ignored by him. Women, no matter how they identify, and their safety needs are totally ignored by him.

He even seemed to survive admitting he wouldnt date a transman. That of course is his absolute right no question however the fact he can say it without a pile on ( a polite disagreement was all that followed) shows how the world doesnt even believe the mantra because they are as forgotten about as women are. Brought up only occasionally as a pathetic attempt at a "gotcha"