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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bunbury's guide to community disruptors part 5

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ItsLateHumpty · 20/06/2020 15:04

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember our monitors would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3691023-Bunburys-guide-to-community-disruptors-part-4

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

Go well Witches Gin

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nachthexe · 25/08/2020 06:50

Thanks @ArabellaScott
Bookmarked Grin

ItsLateHumpty · 25/08/2020 07:52

Another deleted thread re (quoted as reported) “...a mother planning to launch a landmark legal case to preserve her daughter's frozen sperm so she can have a grandchild.”

Message from MNHQ: Sorry folks, this one breaks the Talk guidelines from the opening post so we've taken it down for now.

The opening post was just quoting the reported headline. Will threads now be deleted rather than have the OP edited if we use links or headlines?

Google search of ‘Mother of dead transgender girl sperm‘ returns more than one newspaper result with that heading. The mother in question is quoted.

Dunno if it’s worth me adding it to the thread in site stuff re deletions as they’ve stopped responding to the thread anyway.

Obvs don’t want to hash out the rights / wrongs / use of pronouns here. I’m just wondering at the apparent push to just shut down discussion on FWR.

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OhHolyJesus · 25/08/2020 08:10

FGS I was just looking for it.

I can't see what guideline has been broken but I suspect there wasn't one and someone just reported it. Might be worth asking for clarification but would probably be ignored. Increasingly it's not about the guidelines at all. It even says 'transgender' and all in public domain.

It was a really reasonable discussion I thought.

ItsLateHumpty · 25/08/2020 08:44

Rufus and the OP are on the case, and I’ve just added to the noise in site stuff. We’ll see.

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DeaconBoo · 25/08/2020 12:54

Usually on threads relating to specific ppl in the news i can see why they get taken down, out of sensitivity if nothing else, but this really seemed like a reasonable discussion about the law re parents and their children's frozen gametes and a previous case in California that i hadn't known about. The child's gender, as many posters pointed out, was almost irrelevant. Anyway i don't want to turn this into a post about a thread, I'm just more bewildered as to what guideline was actually broken by quoting the headline.

buttonhole · 25/08/2020 13:29

They just don't want us reading newspapers and getting ideas.

fatblackcatspaw · 26/08/2020 13:16

I've had two threads taken down... today

ItsLateHumpty · 26/08/2020 14:22

Which ones!?! 🙁

Do you have links to the deleted threads?

What did MN tell you?

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fatblackcatspaw · 26/08/2020 14:27

first one against spirit of mumset... second one nothing - about stanford seminar tonight no screenshots beyond my feeble tech capablities

OldCrone · 26/08/2020 14:31

Second one was deleted because it was a TAAT. So does that mean that we're not allowed to discuss this event at all because any thread will now be considered a TAAT?

OldCrone · 26/08/2020 14:34

If you want to know what the threads were about a search for 'Stanford' and 'T**F' (banned word) should find it.

fatblackcatspaw · 26/08/2020 14:35

TAAT?

OldCrone · 26/08/2020 14:35

Thread about a thread.

fatblackcatspaw · 26/08/2020 14:38

oh I didn't realise that was a mumsnet crime....

ItsLateHumpty · 26/08/2020 14:56

Cheers OldCrone but unless you are on a thread, it’s memory holed when deleted, so I’m pretty sure if I searched MN it would just come back 0 results. Google might show a cache but no details.

Re your convo re TAAT, I’m not sure which one(s) you’re talking about, but def on FWR there’s a trigger finger hence me trying to head off at the pass posts on this thread on the 22nd. It’s a shit show.

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nachthexe · 26/08/2020 15:24

@fatblackcatspaw

oh I didn't realise that was a mumsnet crime....
New here? Shock
fatblackcatspaw · 26/08/2020 15:26

A few weeks....

DaisiesandButtercups · 26/08/2020 15:28

The Stanford thread looked really interesting! I am sure that someone somewhere will report back on it. It is very curious, the industrial complex aspect of it in particular. The Stanford University website has the details of the event for anyone interested although it didn’t shed a lot of light on their ideas for me. It wasn’t in the spirit of mumsnet according to the information I have.

ItsLateHumpty · 26/08/2020 15:33

Reminder - if you want to ask MN a Qs about deletions

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/4002092-FWR-clarification-deletion-and-strikes?

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OldCrone · 26/08/2020 17:32

ItsLateHumpty
When I said to search, I meant an internet search, not a search on MN. You probably won't get the MN threads in the results because they've been deleted, but the first hit for me was the event at Stanford tonight which was the subject of the deleted threads.

FloresTorres · 26/08/2020 21:02

FWR thread about a civil servant.
Now mirrored in AIBU, but with a totally different spin on the brave chap who appears to have much support.
Not the only thread started in FWR, that's turned into something very different on another board.
Unrelated, but while I'm here,
Today, I read an interesting piece, elsewhere, about Chairman Mao's political tactics. It reminded me of something I once read regarding Stalin and followers re: Deep Entryism and political realignment.

littlbrowndog · 26/08/2020 22:13

Yea( florres

lionheart · 26/08/2020 22:38

I think I posted the original S T* link because I thought it looked interesting and people might like to register and listen in for themselves. The thread was deleted because as a couple of posters pointed out, anyone who registered wold be wise to do it with an untraceable email address (for extra security).

I reported it to mumsnet to ask that they remove the link but the thread itself was deleted.

If anyone did manage to listen in it would be great to have a summary.

fatblackcatspaw · 26/08/2020 22:57

the seminar which must not be named is happening at midnight and a bunch of women are signed up for it and someone is hoping to live tweet the non existant seminar on twitter.. I have cheese chocolate to get me though

lionheart · 26/08/2020 23:06

I couldn't work out the time difference. Blush