How eyeliner defines my womanhood

[Shedbuilder]

I don't really have any words left:

www.bustle.com/p/how-eyeliner-defines-my-womanhood-54595

Tell me it's satire.

Haven't read the full thread but he just looks like Michael Stipe? He could start an REM tribute band?

I support gender nonconforming males! In fact I happen to be mostly attracted to them!

I don’t agree with their Belief that gender nonconformity makes them “a woman”

The problem we all face here is male violence. Not pronouns.

It’s not that hard!

Oh those halcyon days where Kurt could wear a dress and eyeliner and still be a man. And a bloody beautiful one too!

I used to love Brian Malco from Placebo too, and my own, unsuitable, boyfriend had a good line in nail polishes and eyeliners

Oh Kurt, what a beautiful man RIP

And lets not forget Adam Ant.

He looks great like that, his eyeliner suits him.

I wish men could dress like that without either being beaten up by others, or thinking it makes them a woman

Does this mean Uhtred is a woman? Because if so I must be a Lesbian.

Arghhh FUCK OFFFFFF....

Womanhood is defined by being a fucking woman!!! Female. Periods. Breast. Vaginas. Pregnancy. Infertility. Breastfeeding. Sexual harassment. The pay gap. Rape. FGM. Honour killings. Endometriosis. PCOS.

Fuck off with your fucking stereotyping = womanhood you fucking bald beardy cunt!!!!!!!

Apart from demonstrating the fact that I had a serious condition called Hot Pant as a teenager I just feel so sad that there now seems to been this Man Box that boys are put into from a young age which is so restrictive and small that rather than "expand the bandwith of what it means to be male" to paraphrase, men would rather just opt out. I know it works the other way too, but I see those motivations as slightly different.

It seems to me that feminism has given women a chance to express ourselves and allow ourselves to not restrict ourselves to one type of 'being', and for whatever reason men seem to be going in the opposite direction, which is so damaging to them, but they don't seem to see it. Rather blame it on women instead

In my day, the 90s we used the term gender-bending to refer to boys who went majorly into the tights and short skirt look. Eyeliner was pretty commonplace in the rock pubs for men and women, but in the workplace/supermarket only for women. We didn't have the internet then, so I'm only aware of the term being commonplace in 3 pubs and 2 clubs! Was it a commonly used term, and does it have any connotations I might be unaware of?

*I fear hate crimes, particularly when I travel. I have been groped, catcalled, told to kill myself online, insulted from the windows of passing cars. Legislation looms over my existence.

Most, if not all, of these problems would disappear if I took two steps: I could stop dressing the way that I do, and I could stop asking for my pronouns to be used. I could, in other words, return to the closet. *

Those things happen to most girls and women. We don’t have an opt-out.

Men wear eyeliner all the time still, it hasn't magically turned into men thinking they have to be women to wear eyeliner, alternative/goth/metal/even some rappers wear eyeliner aand nail polish while still being men, that person just described how it feels to them, not to every trans person or man ever.

When mumsnet gets called trnsphobic just read some of these comments to realise why, bullying for how they look from some of the posters on here, making fun of them, belittling them, then plays innocent and hides behind science as to why your completely innocent and 'just having intelligent conversation about science'

NekoShiro Do you find it strange that there are feminist women who do not like it when someone male equates womanhood with makeup?

“ that person just described how it feels to them, not to every trans person or man ever.”

Why is my (And most woman’s I’d say) opinion that being a woman has literally nothing to do with what makeup you wear bigoted while this persons opinion is “just how (being a woman) feels to them”.

nekoshiro

I'm shocked that you couldn't see the article was the one that was "phobic".

Phobic of gender non-conformiong men and positively hateful of women.

For those asking in jest about Kurt Cobain being transed, I'm sorry to have to report that in the heady days when I actually had a Twitter account, there was a particularly persistent poster who was utterly adamant that Kurt was indeed trans. I don't recall the specifics, but I believe their contention was to do with his manner of dress and the end of his life.

@DrDavidBanner

Apart from demonstrating the fact that I had a serious condition called Hot Pant as a teenager I just feel so sad that there now seems to been this Man Box that boys are put into from a young age which is so restrictive and small that rather than "expand the bandwith of what it means to be male" to paraphrase, men would rather just opt out. I know it works the other way too, but I see those motivations as slightly different.

It seems to me that feminism has given women a chance to express ourselves and allow ourselves to not restrict ourselves to one type of 'being', and for whatever reason men seem to be going in the opposite direction, which is so damaging to them, but they don't seem to see it. Rather blame it on women instead

I agree — do we need „meninism“? „Masculine“?

Aargh autocorrect... imeant

“Masculism”

Unforunately I think the term Meninism has already been co opted by the "Al our problems are caused by feminism" crowd, but yes. I found this Ted Talk really interesting www.ted.com/talks/tony_porter_a_call_to_men?language=en and I think there are some groups that call themselves Mens Rights Groups that do actually target the root of the problems men are experiencing today.
Its very difficult I know but the sooner men can start looking at and working on their own issues, the better we all as a society will be.

I love men in eyeliner. I do not love it when they try to splain womahood to me, or when they use me as a human shield against homophobia.

I like eyeliner on men, I think it can look quite hot (straight women here).
I don't think it makes them change gender, and there's no amount of gaslighting mansplaining which will change my mind on that.
Women are much more than cosmetic products.

Christ on a bike. Don't a lot of cultures use eye liner - for both sexes? There is an enormous vast wealth of history of both sexes wearing make up. Why the jolly fuck do they think they've invented it all of a sudden?

What is the pathology which convinces these people they are interesting?

I was hoping to get a good laugh out of that, the title is very promising and the first few paragraphs live up to its ludicrousness. But then the article became Eyeliners I Have Known and Loved and I mean WHAT THE FUCK.

I would NEVER subject anyone to a history of my relationship with makeup, from age 14 to now. Not even my partner or my best friend,. not even if I was high on any number of drugs that induce you to speak drivel. I would not force my THERAPIST to listen to that crap. Not in a million years would I imagine my makeup memoirs to be a matter of magazine-article interest to strangers.

How nice that eyeliner defines that person's "womanhood", because socialisation sure doesn't.