Be an ally to lesbians: stop using LGBTQ+

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I'm a lesbian and I mentally parted company with Stonewall and began opposing it and a lot of other LGB organisations when they added the T and then the Q and then all the other identity letters to the original LGB.

LGB people are united by same-sex attraction. TQ and whatever are linked by their insistence on identity — defining themselves by feelings or whatever. LGB people are united by their experience of homophobia. Transgenderism, and its attack on sex, is inherently homophobic. The two cannot and could never exist comfortably together. As soon as Stonewall added the T to their constituency, it began working against its core community.

Stonewall and other organisations have done this by force. Uncoupling the LGB from the TQ+ is one of the most important things anyone with a GC stance can do.

Please, let us work towards making the letters LGBTQ+ a badge of ignorance and shame, not something that employers should be plastering everywhere as proof of how progressive they are.

Thisismytimetoshine I agree 'identifying' as a mother is a strange choice of words but a person doesn't have to give to be a mother. My wife for example, is the other mother to our D.C. despite not giving birth. Our D.C. certainly consider her to be their mother.

If a healthcare worker has been on some diversity training and understands that LGBT parents come in many different forms that's surely a good thing.

Well, I can see that. But at the ante natal clinic, from a pre natal health perspective, the pregnant woman is the mother.

I just wanted to say in my previous post I mean 'some lesbians' not some lesbian, what I wrote sounded so rude and I'm sorry! It was a typo

Sapphos you are talking absolute shite to try and make a fake point. You say:

Not to the one where I was asked about my partner's blood group.

Midwives and obstetricians don’t ask this. The vast majority of people don’t know their blood group. Only women who have been pregnant and those who have given blood - if they remember. And because people either don’t know or can’t be relied upon to remember correctly, the blood group of a partner whether male or female, is not asked because it won’t be used to alter management. If a pregnant woman is Rh negative and the partner thinks they are also negative, do you think the hospital staff won’t bother doing a cord Coombs based on that?

As a result, asking a partner’s blood group is not something that is done because it’s utterly pointless and unreliable and I think you’ve made the whole thing up to make a point.

The only Lesbians that is still true of are transgenders who identify as Lesbians. Most Lesbians now view it as a warning sign.

Source? Evidence?

Well, I’m a lesbian and I do. For me rainbow flag = Stonewall = hostility to same-sex attraction - something Stonewall can’t even bring themselves to talk about nowadays.

NotBadConsidering why on earth would I make it up? This was the booking appointment of my 2nd pregnancy so I knew I was rhesus negative.

There is no option on the booking form to state the baby is donor conceived. Even when I said it was an IVF baby my midwife made the assumption that my male partner produced the sperm which is why she asked for my partner's blood type.

Yes they may have done a blood test anyway (I would hope so!) but it still highlights how maternity care does not consider lesbian partnerships.

NotBadConsidering why on earth would I make it up?

Because you needed an medically significant anecdote about how it was normal to assume the sperm donor was your partner?

Because you have a history of being disingenuous?

I dunno.

But “blood group of partner” is not a standard question and there is no medical requirement to ask it, it is dangerous to do so if that information is relied upon, I’ve never seen or heard it being asked, so I don’t believe your story.

Would just like to point out that although I don’t doubt there is homophobia in the medical profession and straight privilege

Some women don't know who the father is, some relationships have broken down before the opportunity to ask for a blood type and some straight women use donor sperm either with a partner or without

I think most midwives have probably seen Conception in all Its myriad forms

And i know all these things have been mentioned on the thread But i think there are lots of reasons why women could find the blood type question a difficult one to answer

I wasn’t asked ...but in my case babies were nearly 18 years ago so things may well have changed

@EmpressLangClegSpartacus

The only Lesbians that is still true of are transgenders who identify as Lesbians. Most Lesbians now view it as a warning sign.

Source? Evidence?

Well, I’m a lesbian and I do. For me rainbow flag = Stonewall = hostility to same-sex attraction - something Stonewall can’t even bring themselves to talk about nowadays.

Well I’m a lesbian and I don’t. Nor does a single one of my numerous lesbian friends. I had imagined you might have some actual empirical evidence before making such a statement.

Rufus I don't doubt midwives have seen conception in all its myriad forms but there is still a strong assumption that the pregnant woman is straight. A midwife posted earlier in the thread that 99% of the pregnant women she sees are straight so she makes this assumption.

Interestingly my maternity booking form did ask for my pronoun!

As an aside, I never had you down as a fox hunter I hope you were arguing for the other side.

No i was arguing FOR fox hunting

Nobody else would so i had to

Not a fox hunter...don’t agree with it in the slightest and at the time i was vegetarian

I had to admit it in the end...can’t argue for toffee on here though 😀

I managed to convince ds2 that i thought communism was great...then forgot I’d done it when he tried talking about it the following week, so THAT was confusing for a while

but there is still a strong assumption that the pregnant woman is straight.

Absolutely...which is why i said that straight privilege exists

Rufus

I often have arguments with my wife who is the most TWAW person I've ever met. I take the hard GC stance.

I think it's healthy to argue for the other side once in a while to firm up your own position and to help empathise with other views.

I hope I'm not heading for divorce.

It’s easy to argue an opinion diametrically opposed to one’s own as long as there is a coherent argument for it - keep as dispassionate as you can and stick to stating the relevant opinion.

Where transgender ideology falls down is that there is absolutely no coherent argument, and more importantly none of its proponents seems to realise that opinion does not equate to fact. Perception does not equate to material reality.

Well I see this has been successfully merailed beyond repair. Like pretty much any other thread on the board mentioning the word 'lesbian'. Funny that.

I often have arguments with my wife who is the most TWAW person I've ever met. I take the hard GC stance.

You're deluding yourself. You're not hard-line. You're taking the be-kind gay-lady pro LGBT stance. Woman up.

And for a woman with two small children you seem to have a tremendous amount of time on your hands to spend derailing threads here.

Entirely agree. Lesbians are being singled out for particular attention for not wanting to have sex with "male bodied trans lesbians"! Labeled as transphobes and genitally obsessed. I'd say, look at the abuse received by GC women and ask yourself who is genitally obsessed? Stonewall should be fighting this, instead of which, they've swallowed the trans orthodoxy wholesale. LGB for me!

All that’s happened is that we’ve got a real time example that nicely illustrates and backs up OP’s points.

Plenty of people will read this and see it for themselves clear as day.

Well, personally I find it hugely offensive to be termed 'Queer' and anyone doing so by sticking it in an acronym to describe me will get short shrift.

Me too - for almost my whole life "queer" was a term of appalling abuse. lesbian, gay or bi are good enough for sexuality. The other letters are nothing to do with sexuality and are either "identity", personality or kinks. Adding these to LGB ia what is driving people like me away.

And I'm another lesbian (and so is my partner) who now finds the rainbow lanyard or addition to logos and badges increasingly chilling. Because - and the numerous tweets by police demonstrate this clearly - it's only about the T.

Well I just watched a video of a flag raising on the US for Juneteenth - a celebration of the end of slavery.

Of course the first flag that went up was the pride flag - twitter was not kind. I saw white teen girls heading off to a BLM March with ‘black trans lives matter’ sharpies onto cardboard.

Made up stuff Sapphos.

The pregnant woman is never asked partners blood group

No one ever asked DHs blood group. Why would anyone ask unless they were planning a transfusion? I only found out mine when I was pregnant but I can’t remember what it is.

@SerenityNowwwww

Well I just watched a video of a flag raising on the US for Juneteenth - a celebration of the end of slavery.

Of course the first flag that went up was the pride flag - twitter was not kind. I saw white teen girls heading off to a BLM March with ‘black trans lives matter’ sharpies onto cardboard.

Sorry I just saw it again - it was actually the trans flat (with a black fist) then the pride flag. No Juneteenth flag at all.

Some mothers definitely will be asked about blood types. It depends on previous medical history/pregnancies iirc. I definitely remember a discussion in my second pregnancy although it was a very long time ago so I can’t recall details.

Sorry I just saw it again - it was actually the trans flat (with a black fist) then the pride flag. No Juneteenth flag at all.

I've just been reading the Twitter response to this.

The ruthless and shameless appropriation by TRAs and thick-as-mince 'supporters' bulldozes its way onward.

Some mothers definitely will be asked about blood types. It depends on previous medical history/pregnancies iirc. I definitely remember a discussion in my second pregnancy although it was a very long time ago so I can’t recall details.

Mothers will not just be asked, their blood groups will be sighted and placed in the notes and rechecked if necessary, if the results aren’t immediately accessible. It’s hugely important in cause there’s a maternal/fetal set-up for haemolysis.

Any rhesus negative mother’s baby will have cord blood taken at birth. What the male partner says or thinks his blood group is is irrelevant, it’s too important not to be checked. I agree that Sapphos is making stuff up.