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Gappy Tales: Laurie Penny's T*RF Wars: Aguide to cognitive dissonance

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SunsetBeetch · 18/06/2020 07:15

Laurie wrote a crazily long spiel on Medium recently regarding the "Terf Wars" (honestly, it's excruciating, but here's the link):

medium.com/@pennyred/terf-wars-why-transphobia-has-no-place-in-feminism-60d3156ad06e

The brilliant Gappy Tales takes it apart here:

medium.com/@GappyTales/laurie-pennys-terf-wars-a-guide-to-cognitive-dissonance-27779863dd5c

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 18/06/2020 17:25

Men who're goth also paint their nails sometimes. Does it not count if you paint them black? As hard as she works to deny it Laurie is actually old enough to realize that those men exist.

PurpleCrowbarWhereIsLangCleg · 18/06/2020 17:29

I suspect we may have hung out in some of the same clubs Kittens! Grin

Penny is such an incoherent wazzock. It's sort of...the individual words make sense but then at sentence level, it's just one long 'eh? Wtf?'

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 18/06/2020 17:33

I know men who still paint their nails black in their 40s! They probably shouldn't do so around Laurie in case the poor dear gets confused.

partefeildo · 18/06/2020 17:34

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/06/2020 20:43

It's disappointing reading that thread from two years ago to see that Laurie Penny left the thread when it became clear that we were wiping the floor with her.

Yes, I doubt she'll turn up on this one.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/06/2020 20:46

I'm once again struck by why the fuck I'm supposed to care about any male's made up identity

You and me both. I must have a malfunctioning chip. However my bullshit detector is in pretty good nick.

SunsetBeetch · 18/06/2020 21:07

That Laurie Penny thread is great! Is JoanSummers still around?

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SunsetBeetch · 19/06/2020 10:25

Rose of Dawn has done a video on JK Rowling (nice and balanced as her videos usually are.

She describes the way TRAs present the biological sex argument as a Mott and Bailey fallacy, which I'd not personally heard of before. Interesting.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy#:~:text=The%20motte%2Dand%2Dbailey%20fallacy,(the%20%22bailey%22).

It's about 12.40 on the video.

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