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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Teen Vogue spreading hateful content again

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ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 17/06/2020 16:22

These are the sick bastards who teach young girls they should accept penises into their anus.

www.feministcurrent.com/2017/07/20/no-teen-vogue-backlash-anal-sex-article-not-rooted-homophobia/

They are at it again with more outright lies

www.teenvogue.com/story/gender-critical-support-board-trans-youth

This cites a previous story by narcissist Katelyn Burns who abandoned wife + young baby to post about 'losing female virginity' on Twitter (twitter.com/transscribe/status/848072623997284352)

www.teenvogue.com/story/inside-the-fight-to-ban-conversion-therapy-lgbtq-youth-state-laws

This cites these shitty statistics

www.thetrevorproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/The-Trevor-Project-National-Survey-Results-2019.pdf

which don't include the size of N, confidence intervals, statistical significance or anything you'd expect from actual robust studies.

They lie:

"A 2019 survey from the Trevor Project found that 57% of trans and gender-nonconforming youth subjected to conversion therapy reported attempting suicide (compared to 17% of LGBTQ youth who were not subjected to the practice). Conversion therapy is not taught at a single medical school."

This does not constitute scientific evidence of any kind that seeking out a therapist who won't seek to have your child castrated at the first opportunity has worse outcomes.

It sets up a strawman, that the people who went to the 'Gender Critical Support Board' were in search of 'conversion therapy', it lies that sexual attraction and gender identity are identical concepts. For example, David Bowie did not claim to be a woman. He had sex with men, he had gay or bisexual sexuality.

Being a man who has sex with men is a concrete concept involving two people with penises having sexual contact with each other. This has clear meaning, and you can try to convert people from doing this, and you are either sexually attracted to men exclusively, partly, or not at all.

'Identifying as female' has no defined meaning.

The lies continue:

"So how did the gender-critical community come to believe, against overwhelming medical evidence to the contrary, that trans-affirming care for young people leads to irreparable self-harm?"

This links to this study

pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/142/4/e20182162

which provides

"There is a limited but growing body of evidence that suggests that using an integrated affirmative model results in young people having fewer mental health concerns whether they ultimately identify as transgender"

"In contrast, “conversion” or “reparative” treatment models are used to prevent children and adolescents from identifying as transgender or to dissuade them from exhibiting gender-diverse expressions. The Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration has concluded that any therapeutic intervention with the goal of changing a youth’s gender expression or identity is inappropriate.33 Reparative approaches have been proven to be not only unsuccessful but also deleterious and are considered outside the mainstream of traditional medical practice."

However the citations given are

33 ↵Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. Ending Conversion Therapy: Supporting and Affirming LGBTQ Youth. Rockville, MD: Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration; 2015

which says

store.samhsa.gov/sites/default/files/d7/priv/sma15-4928.pdf

"Interventions aimed at a fixed outcome,
such as gender conformity or heterosexual
orientation, including those aimed at changing
gender identity, gender expression, and sexual
orientation are coercive, can be harmful,
and should not be part of behavioral health
treatment."

"In addition to the appropriate therapeutic
approaches described above – comprehensive
evaluation, support in identity exploration and
development without an a priori goal of any
particular gender identity or expression, "

It seems that a therapy that has an a goal of surgery and hormones is NOT one without an a priori goal of a particular gender expression, rather it coerces a child who may feel that they have a male gender identity that they should change their body with irreversible drugs and surgery to match their gender expression.

"38 The practice and ethics of sexual orientation conversion therapy (1994)"

Not clear what possible reference this could have to transgender children.

Anyway it's made clear that 'conversion therapy' is bad, but it's not so simple as 'conversion therapy' is anyone who doesn't hand out testosterone pills and a double mastectomy on the first appointment.

Converting children's bodies to conform to some 'gender identity' is a negative form of conversion therapy.

It continues that

"Dr. Kenneth Zucker is a Canadian American psychologist who was dismissed from a prominent Toronto mental-health clinic after complaints prompted a review of the location. "

yet ignores that this dismissal was based on outright lies and Zucker was paid $568,000 compensation as a result of the lies and unfair dismissal nationalpost.com/news/camh-reaches-settlement-with-former-head-of-gender-identity-clinic

These people don't do science, they don't do statistics, they don't do maths, and they don't do facts.

They only deal in lies and distortions. Lies about suicide. Lies about people being dismissed. Lies that not wanting your child to be sent on a lifetime path of medical treatment and sterility with unknown consequences is 'backed by an overwhelming body of evidence'. It's not. It's experimental, and dates from about 2005 on a small scale, and more recently on an ever-growing scale, and there is NO body of evidence about the long-term side-effects of this, and anyone who says otherwise is lying.

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Apollo440 · 17/06/2020 16:38

Fucking hell. This is what we are dealing with. Outright fabrication, misrepresentation and lies to discredit your opponents. Surely there must be some standards they can be held to.

PurpleHoodie · 17/06/2020 17:53

Are there any reputable journalists/documentary makers around these parts who could look into this issue.

Horizon and Panorama used to be really good at exposes.

FantaOra · 17/06/2020 18:11

Daniel Radcliffe promotes this.

Tiktokgone · 17/06/2020 18:16

Reading the thread about him loosing his female virginity make me feel sick.

Chris how are developing teens supposed to process this shit when my adult brain can't

terryleather · 17/06/2020 18:37

You can't lose your female virginity when you're not actually female...tiresome upside-down idiocy at every turn.

ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 17/06/2020 19:07

Reading the thread about

I think we are supposed to somehow pretend that people like this are 'actual women' in this forum, unless the person is a rapist or something? Or use their pronouns? Idk.

Clicky link I think:

twitter.com/transscribe/status/848072623997284352

Burns 'came out as a woman' when new-born child was six months old

Wrote this massively self pitying thread about walking out on wife and demanding child support from her (despite not looking after the kids)

twitter.com/transscribe/status/855754783025754117

Baby was five months old

www.parentmap.com/article/what-trans-mom-wishes-you-knew

www.romper.com/p/im-a-trans-parent-heres-why-mothers-day-is-so-tough-for-me-57233

It's like 'Mr. Jones is resigning to spend more time with his family' except here it's the opposite. And stunning 'n' brave of course.

It always seemed like incredibly male behaviour to walk out on your wife and newborn baby. I mean did you ever here about a 'transman' deciding to dump the kids with the husband and go off and spend more time with themselves? It's always prominent transwomen who do this.

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Enderthedragon · 17/06/2020 19:31

It's so grim that this is all being pushed so hard in Teen Vogue, a magazine aimed at young girls. It's literally cult like behaviour isn't it?

OvaHere · 17/06/2020 19:36

Teen Vogue is sickening.

I'm sure I remember a breakdown of their readership at one point that indicated a heavy skew towards adult men (despite the inference it's for young girls).

FantaOra · 17/06/2020 19:59

I hope some of the organizations slandered make a complaint to the US regulator if they have one?

terryleather · 17/06/2020 20:46

But it makes sense Ender if one wants to cynically exploit the female socialisation and desire to be and to be seen to "be kind" of young women and girls for ones own selfish ends - gotta get the next generation of support humans ready to do the work.

Carowiththegoodhair · 17/06/2020 20:50

Every time you sign this the CEO gets an email.

www.citizengo.org/en-gb/fm/179589-shut-down-teenvoguecom-parents-worst-nightmare

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