If Daniel and Rupert were honest

[MrsKingfisher]

Would they themselves have an intimate relationship with a trans woman? I mean because as far as they are concerned they are who they say they are trans woman ARE women.

I actually had a discussion with the parent of a transgirl (Autistic 5 year old with neurological issues, if I recall correctly part of the brain is missing/not as it should - poor child obviously being fed sexist nonsense). We were SO close to fully agreeing. But the problem was Woman is literally dresses to some.
The mother has autism herself, diagnosed as an adult (shares a lot on their Instagram- we don’t actually know each other IRL. Followed them before all this because they were a home Ed family). So I think they’re both victims.

But it’s so frustrating, being a woman has nothing to do with how you wear your hair or if you like dresses! It’s so hard for so many to get.

Hi! Is anyone interested in challenging the toolkits in Camden using the SSA website?

@PeaceCheese

There are conditions where you are biologically a woman but have what is functionally a penis. If exposed to the right hormones in utero, what genetically should have developed into a clitoris will develop into a penis. Iwill say no more as I don't want to offend the intersex community.

This has nothing to do with trans. Because there’s a rare genetic occurrence which means some people might be genetically female but have male anatomy, or vice-a-versa, doesn’t mean or give ground to people fancying they’re a woman/man because of toxic sexist stereotypes and/or homophobia.

I think this discussion is a bit of a red herring tbh.

Yes it's revealing when men say lesbians should be dick, bit wouldn't go against their own sexuality themselves.

But this is about safety, dignity and fairness for women and girls. So some het bloke from HP says he would have sex with a tw. So what? It's up to him. And if he does, does that mean we say ok then forget the whole thing and say twaw? Of course not.

Also the idea it's all about dick. I'm a het woman. I'm not attracted to penises! I mean if you show me a load of pics of dicks I'm not going to get all hot and bothered. I'm attracted to men, having a penis is part of being a man. To say it's all about dick is to buy into a certain view of it as the be all and end all is a very male view.

@RainbowRoadRose

That is one study though on one boy, and there could be alternative reasons for poor john/joan feeling like that. John was also a boy made to feel like a girl, whilst transwomen are born male. It doesnt prove you can be born in the wrong body, if antrhing it suggests you cant change your sex

It doesnt really change the fact that transwomen have had years of male socialisation, and whilst they might feel like they are a woman they still more often than not behave like men. And whilst there are Im sure genuine men who feel gender dysphoria, there are also people who will abuse the system to access vunerable women. There will be people who dont feel gender dysphoria and transition, there are lots of men out there almost fetishising womanhood.

I feel empathy for someone who feels they are born in the wrong body but that doesnt make them a woman, just because I feel for someone doesnt mean have to give up my rights for them.

In that case the doctor was sexually abusing the children.

It was a terrible case.

Can we stop equating clitorises with penises please? Clitorises can't be used as rape weapons; and they don't come with male physiology attached.

If DR and RG aren't attracted to women with penises because they aren't attracted to penises, that's transphobic. Or so the TRA brigade keep telling us.

Spot on!

So they can exclude all transwomen from their dating pool on the basis of penis and male body but women can't exclude them from their single sex spaces on the same basis? And they can scold women (and I'm putting that mildly in some cases) for not 'accepting' transwomen in their single sex spaces whilst themselves excluding transwomen?

And label lesbians bigots, TERFs and much else for not being attracted to people with a penis/penis-holders/whatever the fuck?

We're closer to successful brain transplants then getting a womb functioning inside a male body which is not equipped to support it, or a real penis attached successfully to a woman.

Which is to say we're nowhere near either.

Plenty of trans people do fully transition, and so physically have a female looking body and female hormones coursing through their veins. With the continued leaps in progress with penis and womb transplants, I suspect that, in the future, they'll even have the authentic genitalia that make them look exactly what they identify as

Still have a Y chromosome, and still come with ALL the biological changes to the human body that come with having a Y chromosome. Or still have two X chromosomes. There is no third human gamete. There are only two human gametes.

People with a Y chromosome have physiological differences in their human bodies that cannot be overridden (and provide a completely unfair and uneven point of competition and an even dangerous one to natal females in sports).

It would be useful if men had wombs but for different reasons..

I don't think it would be at all useful if men had wombs but it's another conversation.

The male scientific research into this seems a bit peculiar. There is one thing men can't do and they are determined to crack it. They also take the anti abortion view of women as a vessel. They think growing a baby in a bag would be fine if they can get a baby at the end. They forget about all the other is interactions that go on when it's a woman growing a baby inside her.

The David Reimer case is absolutely horrific, and does not prove a single thing about 'gender identity'. He was sexually abused throughout his childhood, made to do all sorts of messed up shit by that doctor. He urinated from a tube out of his tummy until he was a teen. Of course he knew something was up. And he didnt have the surgery to 'make him a girl' until he was 22 months old, so he would have had memories, subconscious probably but still memories, of having a male body.

The only thing that case shows is that medical practice in the past was batshit, and that David Reimer was very let down by medical professionals throughout his life.

@ShinyFootball just from a selfish point of view it would for me right now. Probably not in general.

'Not having typical XX or XY chromosomes is fairly common'

It really isn't.

The schoolgirls who were kidnapped by book haram. When they were rescued, most of them were pregnant.

The men know who to take, what to do with them, and what the likely result would be.

They didn't need to worry about chromosomes. They, like 99.9% of the population, knew that they were female, and took them to be 'married' (raped) and probably weren't terribly shocked when pregnancy ensured.

What is a terrible generalisation about men?

Boko not book.

Autocorrect.

I would each of them to get into a bed naked with a transwoman and then after say an hour get out and tell how it felt.
Honestly
Was it like being in bed with a woman or ?

Can they still say a TW is a woman Can they?

For example, someone who is allergic to cats may decide that they won't date anyone who owns a cat, because they wouldn't be able to live with a cat comfortably, and wouldn't want to have to make someone give up their cat.

But they probably aren't publicly saying that everyone who is allergic to cats should still date someone who has them.

No they would not.

Er, not too sure about some of the mental pictures being drawn here tonight!

I actually think this whole question is pointless. Even if men couldn't tell the difference in bed, and some probably couldn't, that doesn't mean anything. We're more than things to have sex with.

Rupert chose a female who could carry and birth his child. He hasn't ever dated a TW neither has Daniel or Eddie and has Emma ever dated a transman?
No.
They are pointless celebrities. Stop paying attention to them an they will fade away. Good riddance.