Sunday Times: PM to scrap plan to make gender change easier

[HeyBells]

Just seen this on Twitter. Anyone got a sharetoken please?

@FantaOra

For all of the Dominic Cummings haters here, now you know why he was recruiting data analysis nerds and saying oxbridge gender studies grads need not apply. Hahahaha, this has made my weekend. I may have champagne for breakfast.

What's that got to do with hating Dominic Cummings? As adult humans we can have views on different things? All that data analysis was harvested and used fraudulently in the Brexit vote. And tbh, I'm not sure data analysis of the type you mention would be particularly relevant here. A simple fucking questionnaire in the street would give the same answer.

Can’t wait to see how Starmer plays it.

There’s no way in the world he thinks TWAW, and this he has in common with the majority (and most people who say it know it’s nonsense). I’d think he has more to gain from actively supporting women than taking a non-position.

As a left-wing, reality-inhabiting woman, I’d love to vote Labour again.

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I have been able to vote on this sharetoken from BetsyM00 despite not being a Times member, thank you Betsy

In the consultation, it’s entirely possible to program in order to identify all the identical or similarly worded responses, and then respond to those as one in the consultation response. Other responses usually will be grouped by the issues they cover, and responded to issue by issue. Though it often happens that the response also picks out the biggest stakeholders and goes through their responses individually.

Most consultation responses also have an equality impact assessment, as part of the package. It will be very interesting to read that.

I don't see how anyone can justify men in women spaces now, when the people yelling for it are threatening rape and death to one of the most famous women on the planet, for mild disagreement.

I’m goo again to write to my male conservative MP (had a good response previously) and to Keir Starmer. I’m going to slant that letter around safety, privacy and dignity for women with the emphasis on the impact of children specifically the 13yo taking action against OCC over guidance in schools and why politicians are being cowards in abdicating their responsibilities. I have a 9yo daughter and no one puts baby in the corner. It then leads on naturally to the CPS guidance.

I think it’s going to be a long letter.

There is certainly an interesting dynamic in Scotland now. Ignore the reality of thousands of men publicly screaming for JKR to be choked on their dicks and plough on with their female colonisation and child mutilation demand, or actually do what is best for everyone and show some respect for their most famous scotswoman.

I'm also interested to see how Starmer plays this.

So far I think he has deliberately tried to avoid culture wars.

Wasn't there some argument over the Labour manifesto at the last election? It initially committed to protecting single sex spaces and then Dawn Butler released her own statement?

They only hear what they want. Like the revolting activists in Wyoming who torpedoed the FGM bill because it could stop children getting ‘sex change’ ops. Deaf to anyone else’s pain.

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Until the bots appear. Useful to track votes though.

Owen Jones chucking his toys out the pram. Isn't this slander?

@Datun

I don't see how anyone can justify men in women spaces now, when the people yelling for it are threatening rape and death to one of the most famous women on the planet, for mild disagreement.

Embroider this on cushions. Sell it on Boden.

OJ is going to do himself an injury. Hope he chills out.

I completely agree with what NotAssigned said at 9.48.

The timing could be to surf the JKR wave and be a distraction to the riots and pandemic but I don't care, I'll take it any which way it comes.

As some are suggestion we shouldn't be sucked in, this is maintaining existing laws and committing to not changing it as May's govt implied with the consultation, it means we are staying where we are which is relatively safe. But...that has taken a Herculean effort and so, so many places have gone ahead and changed single sex spaces despite the law not changing so for me that gives me license to question the lot of them.

What Fanta and TheWord day is reassuring too, this paper trail extends beyond the GRA consultation responses, right into the GEO itself and may I suggest into the Surrogacy consultation too. Sticky fingers everywhere and crumbs leading to Stonewall.

If half of those were the Stonewall auto response then they are pretty much meaningless. Remember stonewall were targeting children to send it in!

If the 30% in support of women were carefully considered, individual responses then yes, they can legitimately discard all the Stonewall generated copy pasta.

This. A public consultation isn't a "vote". It may raise issues that need to be considered, and that make the proposal unviable.

It is good timing, and Boris would do well to take advantage and say he is doing his bit for women's rights. Hell, he could make it a debate point for the whole UK and fuck up the SNP too. Do it Boris. I'll even vote for you.

The more I think of it, JK saw the moves in the chess game. That Sun headline was checkmate.

Re the 70% thing as we know there's a clear audit trail showing that stonewall, pink news et al produced auto generated submissions, and they are obviously easily counted. The government is clearly not going to asses a consultation response without assessing this kind of manipulation. I am glad to see some intelligent data analysis going on and clearly this has taken a long time to do.

This was my first thought when I saw that 70% stat. I spent ages filling in the consultation, really researched it, wrote it all in my own words. If they were comparing consultations like mine with thousands that didn't fill in any of the boxes to back up their answers or all used the same words, or looked like they had come from bots, then it would be fairly easy to see I think?

It's quite nice to know that the effort I put into filling out that consultation might have actually been worth it!

@Lordfrontpaw

That is the guardian though. To be expected from that comic. Even their readers can’t be so blinded can they?

I am a guardian/observer reader as are most of my friends - we are not that blind at all. In fact, I would say a lot of credit is due to the left leaning women that were expelled from the Labour Party and went on marches etc. This is not a political debate - this was an attack on all female rights and it is right that we join forces without snide comments. I detest the Daily Mail and all it stands for but I can see that it, along with the Times, has championed and given sunlight to this issue when other news outlets did not. That the left/centre left of those among us were abandoned by the wokey blokeys is something I will remember. And the reason I spoiled my ballot in the election.

FannyCann
Brilliant - think it deserves it's own thread.

^This bit from Paris Lees raised an eyebrow:
^“People say we’re just talking about biological reality, but it’s biological reality to say someone is old, or overweight. It’s rude to keep bringing that up.”

Paris has a great line in dismissive gaslighting. Also said when asked to consider women who are afraid of male violence, that "some people are afraid of escalators". Absolutely the sort of person you want on your Women's Aid promoting adverts, Pantene.

I don't see how anyone can justify men in women spaces now, when the people yelling for it are threatening rape and death to one of the most famous women on the planet, for mild disagreement.

And I'm as sure as I can be that the reason the government decided to brief the Sunday Times on this now was to catch the zeitgeist. People are ready for it.

Hilarious to see Talcum X having another mantrum. This has all cheered me up massively after seeing the awfulness of what JKR has had to go through in the past few days.

This doesn't comply with the Equality Act. If the men have a separate toilet then there must also be one for women only. What they are doing is discriminating against women.

Yes. There are many more reasons women need to use the toilet with privacy and dignity, and spend longer in it.

FannyCann

That link definitely deserves it's own thread