Hannah Gadsby - Netflix

[RuffleCrow]

Anyone fancy challenging her over a "Hermione is probably a Terf' 'joke' in her new Netflix show, 'Douglas'? I believe she's on Twitter. No doubt EW's legal team are already on it for entirely different legal reasons.

She immediately justified it by saying she was "punching up". Wtf

I switched off straight afterwards so no idea if she was actually setting up a meta joke about how we shouldn't throw dangerous labels at each other. I doubt it though. Really disappointing as I thought her previous show, Nanette, was really good. I guess it's gone to her head and she doesn't need educated (GCSE Science) women anymore.

Do we think she's genuinely ignorant of the way the word is used, or is she lashing out at other women for some reason?

If it's any consolation, I think about one person gave her a pity laugh.

She posted this today, so I’m pretty sure she’s aware

Utterly hypocritical given she became a global star by talking about a man violently assaulting her. With women like this, who needs the patriarchy?

I'm not on Twitter but i found that tweet and saw the absolute pasting it received. Almost no-one was impressed. Quite the opposite.

Are all these young and not so young stars actually being paid to help erode women's rights? Because i can't think why else anyone would deliberately alienate their core audience?

There must be sooo much money flying around that we don't know about: retailers, comedians, actors, they're queueing up to throw away their credibility and make themselves look terrible in the eyes of most people.

I don't think it's a good tactic to 'challenge' celebrities on social media about trans issues. Realistically it's only going to have one outcome, which is a public declaration on the part of the celeb of fealty to all things gender, and/or their eternal hatred of 'terfs', often followed by a link to donate to Mermaids. It never leads to proper dialogue, and only intensifies the polarisation around this issue.

As the JK furore demonstrates, almost no actors/singers/writers are prepared to publicly question the gender identity juggernaut. It would be career suicide for most of them to do so, and certainly would be for someone like Gadsby whose main audience comes from the woke left.

It is disappointing to see that she's joined the Rowling pile on, but not unexpected. As a person who has been severely bullied for not conforming to sex roles (in Nanette, she talks about the discrimination and violence she suffered in Tasmania as a butch lesbian), she probably has an instinctive sympathy with people who identify as trans, and of course endorsing the current orthodoxy brings approval and rewards, questioning it would result in nothing but ferocious abuse and ostracisation. Leave her to her posturing, I say.

Who? Never heard of her. Moving on.

Yeah, she's drunk the Kool Aid.

I really loved her previous show. She was out and proud as butch, and talked about pushing back on people who told her she must be trans. Now she's with a trans or non-binary partner, can't remember which, and revelling in letting out the internalized misogyny.

It's funny how we let women off the hook for not displaying 'an instinctive empathy' for other women....

Sadder than I can say to see this. I felt every word of Nanette. After all she'd been through, and when she seemed to have found a comfortable place, it's a tragedy to find her derailed like this.

I feel betrayed.

I watched this with my dd when she was very unwell and in the throes of a cross-sex identification, and I could have wept with happiness at at being able to sit together and hear/watch a woman - a butch lesbian woman, with experience of mental health issues and autism - be a role model for the self-acceptance I hoped my dd would be able to experience one day.

I feel like Gadsby just took that and burned it up.

It's amazing to me, no matter what female celebs like her might think of Rowling's statements (has she even read them, though?), that a woman as aware of feminism as she is would choose such a misogynistic method of bullying. That Rowling 'doesn't matter as much as she thinks she does' - yes, let's bring the uppity bitch down a peg, she's too rich and too old to be commenting. When did Jo Rowling ever indicate that she thought her views were important? She was responding to the witch hunters who've been on her trail ever since she accidentally liked a tweet ages ago, heaping misogynistic abuse on her and telling her to choke on their trans cocks. How can women like her not see through this abuse for what it is? How can she join in? I feel the same way about Jameela, although she is obviously much more attention seeking, her career now seems to be based entirely upon how many woke points she can score on Twitter. But the victim-blaming and catty remarks reek of 'cool girls' bullying in the playground. Telling her to 'Shut mouth. Open purse.' Yes, shut up you silly woman, don't you know women aren't allowed to have opinions that aren't approved by the male majority? Even Paris Lees stepped in to tell her to calm it down. Only commented on the Sun newspaper printing the story about her ex-partner, because that's an allowed opinion because the Sun is obvs evil, but no other comments about the hoards piling on telling her to suck their dicks, no expression of sympathy for what she's been through. Utterly utterly disgusted with the pair of them. They're the equivalent of the ones who hang around with bullies in school, cheering them on to save their own necks.

I'm so sorry to hear that @melia100. I'm not directly affected (yet) by the trans youth issue, but i can imagine how horrible it must be to have a brilliant role model for your dd jump head first into the Koolaid.

'Shut mouth. Open purse.' Jesus, even the imagery is all there, sounds like a misogynistic husband speaking to his wife, telling her to shut up and open her legs.

And why would it be career suicide to articulate something that most people instinctively know to be true and agree with?

This makes me sad that she would do to women the things she suffered from and try to justify it.

@RuffleCrow

And why would it be career suicide to articulate something that most people instinctively know to be true and agree with?

For the actors the Wachowski brothers who are now sisters have a lot of power and they are eager to use it.

This is very unfortunate- I agreed with her wholeheartedly with Nanette- it's was a great show and she identified herself that she had been asked many times if she was trans, due to her dress and speech and was happy being 'butch' lesbian. And now she falls too. Damn shame.

Yet again DonkeySkin you post something that's really worth reading.

The two things that are often missing from the GC side is that being persuasive to the general public is more useful than "I'm right, dammit" and the value of forgiveness of the prodigal sons and daughters looking for a way back.

I like her. She’s right to say that trans lives matter (I hope that no-one would disagree with that!). I was a little taken aback by the Hermione joke but it didn’t completely put me off the show. Is it the JK Rowling dig that has people so angry?

This makes me sad that she would do to women the things she suffered from and try to justify it

It doesn't make me sad; it makes me angry. She is not an unthinking woman. She has made a deliberate choice to take the easier path on this one, and as we all know, the easier path is the woman-hating path.

I'd strongly dispute that @nauticant. I think, as Meghan Murphy, JK Rowling, Magdalen Berns, Posie Parker et al have shown, persuasive arguments are what we do best. Sadly, it seems something in the psyche of many people responds much more readily to overt threats of violence when it comes to picking a side.

I never understood why some posters on here held her in such esteem.

She's a one trick pony spouting obvious woke platitudes. I didn't laugh once at anything in this.

I see she's getting a pasting for being a sanctimonious bandwagon hopper.

The focus must always been on persuading the broader public in addition to your own side.

Vashta

Notice the glaring omission in her 'Lives Matter' statement?

Yeah.

Women and girls.

You might not think that matters; I do.

why would it be career suicide to articulate something that most people instinctively know to be true and agree with?

Did you see what happened to JK Rowling last week? (Rhetorical question.) Denounced by the stars of both her movie franchises, while not one of the many, many artists and performers she has collaborated with and made pots of money for stepped forward to defend her against the most vile, misogynistic abuse. And she is one of the richest and most famous women in the world. I know people say, 'she's got squillions, she'll be fine', but I think that's a reductive way of looking at it. Decades of hard work as an author and a philanthropist, and it might all go on the bonfire of the woke cultural revolution.

Majority opinion doesn't matter if an intransigent, intolerant minority is able to ensure that the cost of going against them is too high for most people to accept.

Is it the JK Rowling dig that has people so angry?

I think Gadsby's badly cut and too tight suit meant she was a bit too slow in running after the bandwagon. It rolled on without her. See the first reply to her. That sets the tone- there is a fair amount of cynicism about why she said this.

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