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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What constitutes your identity?

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Z0rr0 · 10/06/2020 19:28

The dictionary definition is 'the fact of being who or what a person or thing is'.
To expand: The definition of identity is who you are, the way you think about yourself, the way you are viewed by the world and the characteristics that define you.
[In maths an identity is 'a transformation that leaves an object unchanged'.]
Wikipedia says: Identity is the qualities, beliefs, personality, looks and/or expressions that make a person or group. One can regard the categorizing of identity as positive or as destructive. A psychological identity relates to self-image, self-esteem, and individuality.

I'm asking this because both Radcliffe and Redmayne have talked about JKR's comments 'invalidating trans identities' or having their 'identities questioned'.
Someone on here said something I thought was brilliant the other day:
Many misgender trans women, say that only women who were born female have the right to identify as female, and so on.
Since when did anyone have the right to identify as anything?
I need sex based rights regardless of my identity. If I could just identify out of being female, I wouldn't need sex based rights.

I think I would argue that how someone identifies is slightly different to their identity. I'm thinking about 'identity theft' or 'secret identity'.
My identity is built upon my name, my heritage, my childhood background, my family, my experiences, my beliefs, my skills, my behaviours, my appearance etc. All of those are informed by my gender.
I can't imagine anyone saying anything to or about me that would in any way invalidate my identity.
Am I missing something?

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Goosefoot · 14/06/2020 16:31

Yes, I've been considering the phrase I identify as and I've concluded that I'd never really heard that phrase being used before the rise of contemporary transgenderism.

People might say " I identify with, though.

I think what you are doing if you Identify as something, is that you are attaching your meaning, purpose and value in life onto a distinct shape/object/role/performance/group/association and so on.

I saw part of an interview with the academic that I posted back at the beginning of the thread that your comment makes me think of.

He suggested that all the decisions that people make that are the most about asserting their freedom must appear to be not-free.

So for example when people make a free choice between Coke or Pepsi, it really is very unimportant and doesn't say anything about who they are. They can choose either as they like.

But if a choice is an important choice about defining you are, an existential choice if you like, like falling in love, or choosing to join the resistance to fight the enemy invading your country, you don't feel that it is a choice. You are driven by necessity to join the resistance as the only choice, you just find yourself in love.

I'm not sure what that means, but I think that the psychological observation seems pretty accurate.

bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 15/06/2020 00:17

I don't understand "identity" so I can't answer your question, sorry.

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