Asda's new pronoun badges for staff

[BessyK]

My BIL who works at our local store has just received this information, he thinks Asda's gone mad. Asda are also funding Diversity Role Models with £100,000 over the next year. Looks as though they're jumping in with both feet.

Isn't it dreadful to use the OLD non inclusionary pride flag as a background on the badges too? I'm so triggered.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/21/inclusive-pride-flag-confronting-racism-lgbt

"I indentify as a low paid employee of a company which sells bullets over the counter in the US." Do they have that one with hearts and rainbows?

I thought they stopped selling bullets?

I thought it was prices on rollback, not women's rights

"For colleagues who wish to wear them" is what jumps out to me there.
So where's the problem, as it doesn't sound like they're making everyone wear them?
Just you can if you want.
If it makes life easier for trans men and women that's a good thing, surely? It doesn't impact me in any way if some want to wear a badge or not.

In what way could it make their lives easier?

Where's the problem?

Aren't you worried that real life people who work and shop at ASDA are going to be exposed to this new ideology (maybe for the first time) and might go WTAF?

Bring it on I say.

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

If you are a female this is part of an approach that will impact on you - rights that you have because you are female will be eroded by including men within the definition of women.

For example, if a woman does not want to share a changing room with a man - if the man says he identifies as a woman and his pronouns are "she" - into the changing room "she" can trot.

Domestic violence refuge? Anyone who says they're a woman are welcome - regardless of whether they are bepenised.

So sure - its very unlikely to impact on a shopping trip to ASDA sure. But the movement to say that people can choose whatever sex they are is a very real threat to women's rights. You can't have women's rights when the definition of women includes people with penises.

Oh, ffs...

So - if they have public loos or changing rooms (they sell clothes don't they?) - segregated by sex, gender or hair colour?

Is this ASDA preparing to fake fixing their gender pay gap issue?

So, don't make any real changes. Simply encourage some highly paid men to come out as women and some lowly paid women to come out as men and hey presto the statistics make it look like they reduced sex discrimination.

Oh like they way they have 'fixed' the issue of getting more women on boards in Scotland?

I guess for me it's more that they have forced their staff to accept worse contracts than they were on, which actually are really bad for women who have children; yet they have the money to impliment stuff like this.

If you are a female this is part of an approach that will impact on you - rights that you have because you are female will be eroded by including men within the definition of women

Somebody wearing a pronoun badge doesn't impact on me in the slightest.
I wouldn't wear one myself, but each to their own.
You seem to be objecting to two things - the badges and trans people in general.
Should they not have the right to be recognised as trans men, or trans women? As that's how your comment comes across.

They probably get a gold star from stonewall or something. What a bloody monumental waste of nothing. £100k to let customers know what the staff are 'feeling like'?

@heartsonacake

He shouldn’t have shared this information with you, and you most certainly shouldn’t be sharing it on the internet. He can get severely disciplined for sharing company information meant only for colleagues.

Excuse ME - you don't know which pronouns her BIL uses - he/she/they/xe/ve/etc might be really offended by your comments!

So they aren't going to be wearing the silly badges then? Phew. I suppose if you went onto the website of the agency that came up with the branding it won't be shown in their portfolio then?

You seem to be objecting to two things - the badges and trans people in general.
Should they not have the right to be recognised as trans men, or trans women?
This kind of logic totally escapes me. Who the hell thinks wearing a badge proclaiming intimate details about your private life so total strangers who don't give a toss can be a party to it is some kind of aspirational human right?

Should they not have the right to be recognised as trans men, or trans women? As that's how your comment comes across.

Maybe people who want to be recognised as something tricky for the layperson to understand, should issue Spotters' Guides, like for planes and ships.

What next?

A badge to declare your sexual orientation?

A badge to declare your religion?

A badge to declare who you last voted for?

Information about your beliefs and private life to be worn publicly. Theoretically optional but don't do it and you find yourself under suspicion for wrong think.

That always went well in the past. Not.

FFS!
So if someone wishes to complain about a pronoun-badge-wearing-Asda-worker they will need to get their pronoun(s) right or they will be accused of being transphobic or hate speech? I can see that going well - Asda is potentially creating an issue for themselves - if they don't haul up customers using the wrong pronouns then the worker may complain about Asda's treatment of them, cue pile on from the woke brigade...

@MrsFogi

FFS! So if someone wishes to complain about a pronoun-badge-wearing-Asda-worker they will need to get their pronoun(s) right or they will be accused of being transphobic or hate speech? I can see that going well - Asda is potentially creating an issue for themselves - if they don't haul up customers using the wrong pronouns then the worker may complain about Asda's treatment of them, cue pile on from the woke brigade...

OMG how can I complain about sod all and get no one in trouble, but keep using the wrong pronoun?

The fun I'm gonna have with this.

fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/#:~:text=Pronouns%20are%20Rohypnol%20%E2%80%93%20by%20Barra%20Kerr&text=Specifically%2C%20'preferred'%20pronouns.,you%20to%20talk%20about%20me'.

I have never used pronouns when addressing supermarket employees. I cannot even fathom why anyone would.

This is nothing but pushing gender identity ideology. Would be the same as if theists pushed bible quotations or something.