GMB Statement on transphobia

[MingeofDeath]

www.gmb.org.uk/online-Q-A

@BlackForestCake

And of course remember the TRAs who actually attacked a picket line. because they objected to someone on it having exercised her political liberty to attend a meeting that they disapproved of.

I do indeed remember that.

The GMB would do well to check out that video footage. But I don't suppose they will.

I'd love to see a women's union @SciFiScream I have no idea how to set one up though. Maybe talk to @luluchops or Kirk Tunks? Or contact women's place uk, they may be able to help.

Kiri not Kirk. Oh the joys of auto correct Also had a thought of Paul Embry (I think that's correct).

The GMB would do well to check out that video footage. But I don't suppose they will
You could send the link to [email protected]

I've emailed a couple times now cos I'm so bloody angry.

The picket line thug was also Tara Wolf if I remember correctly?
PLEASE correct me if it's a no.

I'll join one! Been meaning to rejoin one for a while. Don't think I'd want GMB in my corner, I want representatives that hold their nerve

Gcnq

No correction here, I might be wrong and mixing things up but I remember it similarly.

@FalseImage

It's quite ridiculous to suggest GMB don't support women just because they're saying they do support the transgender community, which consists of men and women.

This is why MN FWR is known for transphobia! Way to invalidate all non-binary folk

I really think you should check your privilege False, especially if you’re c(banned FWR term).

I won’t report your post though.

Well it's called balance.

No, it is called both-siderism and it is a deceit and a specious bunch of bollocks.

If Mumsnet made a union I'd join it. Union for mothers. Imagine.

What happens is that when enough people demand that they define transphobia the bias is exposed and the fairness house of cards tumbles down.

Are you trying to control the direction of the conversation Datun?

God, no. It's really rather important to me to let you control the direction of the conversation. I would have thought that was fairly obvious by now.

“Well, according to our records, you follow JK Rowling on Twitter, so you’re on your own. Bye now!”

This is the crux for me. Even IF you think the entity that is Mumsnet is transphobic, and/or even IF you think that the entity that is Mumsnet is complicit in society’s transphobia, and even IF you think an individual poster is transphobic (of course all of this is false) it does not mean that posters should be denied the advice of a union. Unions shouldn’t be asking screening questions to an individual’s likes and dislikes, political affiliations etc.

“Have you ever said anything mean about Corbyn?”

“Do you clap for the NHS?”

GMB could quite easily come out and say: “We understand some tiny proportion of Twitter people have concerns about Mumsnet and transphobia, but it’s important to us that we support ALL those in need of employment advice at this time. Using Mumsnet as a conduit to provide essential services to women does not mean we condone or condemn the site itself, but we feel it’s important to put those differences aside if it means more women are supported with employment. Our LGBT members can be assured that this is about the users’ employment needs, not the site itself nor that user’s personal beliefs. We would no sooner abandon them for those reasons than abandon our LGBT members if they were to express a view we did not personally agree with.”

But if they want to only support those who express the purist of views as approved by randoms on Twitter, good luck with that model.

If Mumsnet made a union I'd join it. Union for mothers. Imagine.
The Mumsnet Union. That would be amazing. I'd join too.

Exactly, NotBadConsidering.

Arla managed:

What happened to the other chat Q&A that went up yesterday? I can’t see or.

%GMBareWeasles

Well, since that article encouraging trans rights activists to "infiltrate the terfs' organisations" (an old tactic known as entryism): what about taking over and re-purposing the Mothers' Union?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Gcnq

No correction here, I might be wrong and mixing things up but I remember it similarly.

The Morning Star remembers it similarly too. "One of the activists visible in the footage of the incident appears to be a transwoman called Tanis Wolf, also known as Tara Flik Wood, who is facing court action for an alleged physical assault on a humanist celebrant and former Morning Star employee Maria MacLachlan at a separate event to discuss the GRA." Say what you like about Marxists, but they do tend to recognise material reality. morningstaronline.co.uk/article/female-trade-union-official-bullied-own-picket-line-international-womens-day

It's quite ridiculous to suggest GMB don't support women just because they're saying they do support the transgender community, which consists of men and women.

To be sure we're using language with shared meaning - since males came along and fucked that up for everyone - we're talking about female people.

GMB do not support the 'trans community', they are supporting an extremist political lobby. I've seen what that lobby says and does to trans people who dare say anything disobedient to their political edicts.

Supporting that political lobby's aims and agenda is incompatible with supporting the civil rights or meeting the needs and equalities of female people. By this lobby's dictat, it's a choice. One or the other.

What the hell did you think we were all here taking up a female human focused board talking about fgs?

Do you mean this one Lordfrontpaw?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/employment_issues/3925804-MNHQ-here-free-legal-clinic-with-Maternity-Action-on-maternity-and-parental-rights-at-work-during-the-Covid-19-crisis

That’s the one - I thought it had gone ‘meowwwww’ too!

As with everything to do with trans ideology, GMB's stance is totally illogical. Because Mary voices her opinion that biology matters, Sabina should not get advice when her employers pressure her to start maternity leave early. What's the connection?!

Oh, wait...biology of course.

It's quite ridiculous to suggest GMB don't support women just because they're saying they do support the transgender community, which consists of men and women.

Mumsnet hosts the biggest gathering of women in history. (Something which a lot of men find scary.)

Even dithering makes it perfectly obvious where their loyalties lie.

I mostly lurk on the FWR board, but just de-lurking to say this thread has made me question my own union and how they would support me if my workplace went down the route of gender neutral toilets.

I've sent the below across and will update when I get a response. Hopefully I will.

"I’d like to know your position on single sex spaces and any future proposals on site to change to the use of gender neutral toilets.

Are you in favour of, and will support members who want gender neutral facilities? Or are you supportive of those members who want to retain single sex spaces?"

Thanks BearMountain!