Express and Star article - head of British Toilet Association pushing for mixed loos

[Fenlandmountainrescue]

Apparently, in order to get us all back shopping again, it is essential that we should all share toilets. Because that is cleaner?

If you have three loos DS would be able to access 30% or toilets. Unisex 100%.

And my daughter and others, including men, who are of certain religions have access to 0% toilets. How is that even the slightest bit fair?

I dont view the needs of a deeply unrepresented, deeply vulnerable and heavily discriminated against minority as less important than any majority.

Unless that vulnerable person is a female.

I dont view the needs of a deeply unrepresented, deeply vulnerable and heavily discriminated against minority as less important than any majority

That would be the women and girls then? A "deeply unrepresented, deeply vulnerable and heavily discriminated against" group who happen to also be a majority in terms of numbers. Because women aren't privileged in case you missed that memo.

Hazelnutlatteplease "I can't walk through the men's and respect their privacy without not being able to see what I'm doing"
There's good news. They want to remove all the urinals so you will be able to take him in the mens. SOLVED!

Your DD is disabled. She could have access to the disabled. Same arrangement as you consider acceptable to my child. Accept presumably your DC far less likely to end up covered in poo by waiting.

I dont view religion, which historically has been one of the biggest surpresssers of women as a good argument. Not in a predominantly atheist country.

If my daughter wasn’t disabled but had suffered at the hands of a pervert, you think she should be forced to share with adult men, so you get what you want and to help with her and the many many women and girls that don’t want to share. Nice one.

I’m an atheist, but I have the decency to respect the religious beliefs of other people, in particular women. You actually believe that those women should have ALL their rights removed, by pushing for mixed sex toilets. If they are from ‘suppressive’ religion, you have just joined in their oppression, by forcing them out of society. How very woke of you.

you want and to *hell with her

I'm an atheist too. But I don't believe in taking even more of women's rights away by denying them the right to women-only spaces.

I don’t want to share a loo with men. Why should I? Why can’t women have these spaces?

Hands up everyone who has darted into the ladies loo to escape a creepy man? Or gone into the work loos to cry/hide when period pain
gets too bad/vomit when pregnant/even - god forbid - have a miscarriage?

They want to remove all the urinals so you will be able to take him in the mens. SOLVED!

Its certainly one solution ish. but I'd still prefer unisex.

Because women aren't privileged in case you missed that memo.

Hahaha good one. I'll take my (limited) lack of privilege as a woman over DS lack of access to education finance employment toileting..... and now outside space. (As a woman you have access to outside space, DS now has to stay inside the house of indefinite period of time to facilitate everyones privilege, because why should the majority interest be compromised for a few?)

Every single woman I know and have discussed this with, don’t want mixed sex toilets, especially the mothers of disabled children.

Hahaha good one. I'll take my (limited) lack of privilege as a woman over DS lack of access to education finance employment toileting..... and now outside space

You really have no concept of the world outside of your little bubble have you?

Every single woman I know and have discussed this with, don’t want mixed sex toilets,

We tend to live in echo chambers. We pick friends whose values agree with your own. Doesnt mean it doesn't exist.

because why should the majority interest be compromised for a few?

The way you’re trying to strip rights from every.single.female, including the vulnerable, disabled, oppressed (your words regarding religion), abused and those that simply want privacy. How very kind and inclusive of you.

We tend to live in echo chambers

You certainly do.

Realistically 3 spaces will mean they slap a gender neutral sign on the disabled

Every disabled loo I've ever seen is "gender neutral", ie mixed sex. My husband was disabled, I went ti multiple disabled loos with him, including airports, restaurants, etc. Never seen a sign other than the disabled sign on it -- they don't need a "gender neutral" sign.

I dont view religion, which historically has been one of the biggest surpresssers of women as a good argument. Not in a predominantly atheist country.

So, because you are an atheist, you believe that Jewish, Hindu and Moslem should not have access to single-sex toilets. Lovely.

I also doubt that Britain is a predominantly atheist country. Even if the traditionally majority religion, Christianity, has lost its appeal for many, even if people don't go to church or call themselves Christian any more, if you dig deeper you'll find that many still pray when it comes to the crunch. Add to those millions of Moslems, Hindus, Sikhs and Jews, you can't really speak of a "majority atheist" society. And even if you could -- this has nothing to do with most women wanting single sex loos.

^^ Jewish, Hindu and Moslem women etc.

We tend to live in echo chambers. We pick friends whose values agree with your own. Speak for yourself. I run my own business and I’m very open about my feminism and my wishes to protect women, so I speak quite openly to my customers. I’ve only ever had ONE woman think like you. She also didn’t believe in feminism. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Doesnt mean it doesn't exist. I’ve no doubt that others think like you. We see them on here quite often, berating females.

YetAnotherSpartacus

Do you?
53.2% of people with disabilities were in employment, up from 51.2% a year previously. The employment rate for people without disabilities was 81.8%, up from 81.4%. 300,000 people with disabilities were unemployed (source government briefing)

www.jrf.org.uk/data/poverty-rates-families-disabled-person ifyou have a disabled person in your household your between 50% and twice as likely to be in poverty. Difference of between 19% and 30-50%

I could go on....

No, I don't Hazel. I recognise a wide variety of people and their needs, including people living with a range of disabilities. In the case of toilet provision women's need for dedicated, single-sex provision is paramount. I'm not sure that you recognise anyone else's needs other than that of your son. You certainly show zero consideration of the needs of women who for reasons of faith cannot use mixed-sex facilities. You are an atheist. Your words. So their needs don't matter.

I give you the list of the Honorary President, managing director and committee members of the British Toilet Association.

All male, men and one transwoman. I haven't looked much further into their motivations, might be worth a further dig if anyone has the time/resources as a way to combat their lobbying for gender neutral loos:

www.btaloos.co.uk/?page_id=7

The list from the link;

Honorary President Richard Chisnell
Managing Director Raymond Martin
Chairman Simon Hollingbery
& Committee Member
Committee Member Andrew McIlduff Danfo (UK) Ltd
Committee Member Piers Dibben Healthmatic Ltd
Committee Member Trudi Osborne Airdri Limited
Committee Member John Tweddle Westminster City Council
Committee Member Roger Berry Political Adviser

All male, men and one transwoman.

What a shock. I hope you’re not suggesting that they have an ulterior motive. That Never Happens!

Oooo do be careful.

I dont believe as a society we should endorse the ongoing suppression of women by specific religions. By allowing the ongoing segregation of women and making it acceptable are we not endorsing and perpetuating it?

It would come to something if feminists ended up unwitting accomplainces to religion in perpuating the ongoing suppression of women.

Well colour me blue loo...