Attorneys for girls in US sports case must refer to males as transgender females

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Judge on the case:

"What I’m saying is you must refer to them as “transgender females” rather than as “males.” Again, that’s the more accurate terminology, and I think that it fully protects your client’s legitimate interests. Referring to these individuals as “transgender females” is consistent with science, common practice and perhaps human decency." 🙄

www.nationalreview.com/news/attorneys-for-connecticut-high-school-runners-ask-judge-to-recuse-after-he-forbids-them-from-describing-trans-athletes-as-male/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

It just never ends for these poor girls does it.

How can anyone see this as fair.

Mind you they dont do they. They know and they dont care

What is accurate about calling them "transgender females"? They are not female. "Transgender males" would be more accurate, since they are males who identify as transgender.

Can you imagine trying to sound knowledgable , confident , accurate and professional standing up in court whilst having to not slip up and use the wrong words and completely ignore your eyes. It would be impossible. Case would be lost before it's even begun and no one would even be able to follow.

This was the girls' counsel's response in the teleconference:

The entire focus of the case is the fact that the CIAC policy allows individuals who are physiologically, genetically male to compete in girls’ athletics. But if I use the term “females” to describe those individuals — and we’ve said in our opening brief, we’re happy to use their preferred names, because names are not the point to the case. Gender identity is not the point of this case. The point of this case is physiology of bodies driven by chromosomes and the documented athletic advantage that comes from a male body, male hormones, and male puberty in particular. So, Your Honor, I do have a concern that I am not adequately representing my client and I’m not accurately representing their position in this case as it has to be argued before Your Honor and all the way up if I refer to these individuals as “female,” because that’s simply, when we’re talking about physiology, that’s not accurate, at least in the belief of my clients.

That's pretty good as an extempore response.

Well - they say we should be happy to be redesignated as ciswomen - so we should be able to rename them too - penis-having pseudofemales should do it.

Their lawyer is going for it!

How about just individuals who have mental health issues and have decided changing their gender identity will fix it.

Wrong. On every count. But how do you argue with a presiding Judge? Women are just fucked aren’t we?

Especially when the judge is joining in and not happy with being perfectly polite and using names which should be enough.

Instead validation trumps all else even the right to what your own eyes see.

Yep, just wrong, wrong, wrong

Since there's been an application for recusal*, which many judges would interpret as a hostile act, then I assume ADF are already expecting that they'll need to be appealing the case.

• inviting the judge to withdraw from the case because they're unable to try it fairly, for example because they're not impartial

I hope they are successful at getting the judge to recuse himself. It certainly sounds like he’s made up his mind already.

For anyone interested in this case, here is a link to an online event co-hosted last month by Women’s Liberation Front and Save Women’s Sports:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=8c7ASVPPEwM

It features the three female plaintiffs, their attorney, and the mother of one of the plaintiffs. They are genuinely brave and stunning.

It's the rohypnol analogy all over again. If forced to refer to males as females when the whole point of the case is that they are male is just adding a layer of obfuscation to the proceedings which frankly shouldn't be allowed in a court of law.

I was thinking rohypnol analogy as well. You can't argue that females can't run in the girls race without sounding unfair. Boys or males definitely shouldn't be in that race.

It's the institutional capture of the judiciary before the case has even started. It's the essence of the case.

Are we going to have people refuse to lie and get put in prison for contempt of court to make this point?

Exactly. It starts the entire proceedings on an unbalanced footing in favour of the males.

Language is hugely important and a massive part of why this mess has occurred in the first place. Even though everyone concerned knows these individuals are male the minute they are referred to as female it throws peoples instincts off - which is of course what they want.

It’s like a sci fi film when the hero can ‘see’ the truth but no one believed them. What was the one with the sunglasses and aliens again?

Exactly. This case shows the problem with the "be kind" argument.

I don't understand where it has ever been justifiable to use the word "female" in that way.

At least we might say the word woman is particular to human beings, and has connotations beyond pure biology attached to it - cultural traditions, historical events, artistic representation, etc.

But "female" surely is scientific and the word we use when talking about not only humans but horses and holly bushes.

I've never really heard even a real attempt at justifying it's use with gender, but at a certain point it seems to have become the thing to treat it that way.

Maybe they just need to get a doctor or surgeon into the dock to explain to the judge the Ladybird ABC of Biology to him/her.

Again, that’s the more accurate terminology

It's not remotely accurate terminology

Its a flat out falsehood. They are not female. They identify as girls, they are transgirls, they are not female.

You can't discuss anything based on compelled lying.

Please do not forget that both Terry Miller and Andraya Yearwood are still children. They have been lied to by people who should be trustworthy, fed the lie that it is biologically possible for a male to become a female and vice versa.

Lawyers will be dining out on these cases for years to come (and the inevitable lawsuits from these now kids as adults, and families of those damaged).

consistent with science, common practice and perhaps human decency.

What ‘science’ is the judge eluding to exactly?

Where is the ‘human decency’ in gaslighting these courageous young women who are being cheated out of scholarships, titles, championship opportunities etc...?

How -in any scientific definition - are these transgirls ‘female’?

My understanding is that in their state the sporting authorities don’t even pretend to care about equity of competition and don’t require testosterone reduction - which still doesn’t affect male anatomical, physiological, biomechanical or anthropometric innate advantage.

Judge - just so you know - having long hair and a girly name doesn’t reduce the male’s running speed to that of female athletes OR turn you into a female.